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Cal 321 and dial very used - can it be refurbished?

  1. daswunschkind

    daswunschkind May 11, 2015

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    Hi everybody,

    I would like to share a find on the internet and to have your thoughts on it.
    Haven't bought it yet, but it is very tempting!

    Someone sells a standalone cal 321 with dial (seeing the serial # should be ST105.003) and hands.
    Everything looks original (well, should be in that used condition ;))

    Can the dial be saved?
    What is it worth (all together)?

    Thanks a lot!
    Yann
     
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  2. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member May 11, 2015

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    Call me mad but I actually think it looks kinda cool, the hands are wrong so factor that in, and I don't mean damaged, I mean incorrect. Having said that the dial actually reminds me a LOT of the Apollo 11 45th titanium model and although obviously don't pay much as its worth a lot less than a mint dial, I would wear that and enjoy it.
     
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  3. rogart

    rogart ray it again, Ram. May 11, 2015

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    Keep as is . I don't think it comes from a mark II . It could be worth a lot of money.
     
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  4. daswunschkind

    daswunschkind May 11, 2015

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    No, you're right. It looks more like 105.003 or 105.012 (I corrected my post above)
     
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  5. rolexfantastic

    rolexfantastic May 11, 2015

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    Just looking at the movement, there is no chance for this to come from a 105.003.
     
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  6. daswunschkind

    daswunschkind May 11, 2015

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    Can you explain? I think you're right, but because of the "Professional" on the dial. What do you see at the movement?
     
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  7. watchyouwant

    watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant May 11, 2015

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    if it can be serviced without parts for around $ 450 and it is from a speedmaster with factory confirmation , I see it at $ 900. kind regards. achim
     
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  8. rogart

    rogart ray it again, Ram. May 11, 2015

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    I say most sure is a 105.012 and i would buy for $900 .
     
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  9. ricardorio

    ricardorio May 11, 2015

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    Yes the number is for the years 1964 / 1965 Ref 105003 / 105012
     
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  10. Matty01

    Matty01 Port Adelaide's No.1 Fan May 11, 2015

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    I like it a lot and would be also tempted, should you pass on it...
     
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  11. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus May 11, 2015

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    Sure, if you have either one of these:

    6a015436eb4a84970c019b0040fa2d970d.jpg 1966 Time Machine Studio Prop Reproduction 26.jpg
     
  12. daswunschkind

    daswunschkind May 11, 2015

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    Haha, very good.
    Unfortunatly not .... but I have this!
    :)
     
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  13. rhygin13

    rhygin13 May 11, 2015

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    I actually like that dial as-is. Very cool.
     
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  14. lwong

    lwong May 11, 2015

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    It's nice, but looks as though someone tried to age or patinate the dial, and also tried to scrub off the "professional" and pass it off as a pre-pro.
     
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  15. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed May 11, 2015

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    Likely covered by the astute comments above. Professional is clearly on the dial, so I'd guess it can't be a 105.003 (straight lug) but a 105.012 or 145.012(less likely given the serial), which would be the only possibilities.
     
  16. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder May 11, 2015

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    If the dial left the factory on the movement then it is a late 105.012-64 or an early 105.012-65.

    Close T marks on the dial.

    I like these dials, but as others mention, not valuable.

    It's all very well saying $900 but if the owner puts it on eBay it would go for more.
     
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  17. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder May 11, 2015

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    Dial bought for $5 of the bay
     
  18. photo500

    photo500 May 11, 2015

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    I'd have to agree with Space, if this were to go on eBay it will sell for much more than $900. I'd bite the guys arm off to get a complete running 321 at that price.:D
     
  19. sulaco

    sulaco May 11, 2015

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    I wanted to start a thread about the movement and dial.
    also it still does not fit my 105.012-66 because it is too early i still bought it, because i also did like the dial.
    I hope i can somehow remove the white shades near the word professional.
    I had a nice talk with the former owner who is collecting other Chronographs and Chronometers, but is not interested in Speedies,
    he said he bought the dial and movement from his watchmaker, who also did service it before he sold it.
    will have to see what it looks like in flesh, maybe i will put it in the 105.012-66 CB Case until i found the correct movement for the case or the
    correct case for this movement ;)
    And yes, i did pay more as 900 USD.
     
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  20. daswunschkind

    daswunschkind May 11, 2015

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    Okay, you bought it!?!

    Just asking: is there any netiquette in this forum for ebay findings?