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Buy or not: Omega Suverän 2400-2
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·Hi Rait
I gather you’re based in Sweden as I’ve also seen this one coming up for auction.
Q1: Given the condition, should I get this particular item or continue searching?
There are certainly better examples out there, but I know that prices in Sweden for these Suverän watches are only going up. Are you able to go and see the watch in person to check it out?
Q2: What is a fair price range for this item to be paid?
These are very sought after in Sweden and I think I would not be willing to go to more than €500 on this particular watch(I know, I’m cheap, but you have many unknowns), although I’ve a feeling it will go beyond this at the auction. The last black faced Suverän I saw (sold on Tradera) went for €2k to a member of this forum, but it was in lovely condition.
Q3: What additional service should I plan for this item?
Service and new glass and personally I would relume the hands to something more appropriate(I believe it’s not the original lume).
All that said, it’s your money and do with it what you want. The hardest thing once you’ve decided to get a vintage watch is to be patient and to only pull the trigger on a decent example.
I wish you all the best if you decide to bid(don’t worry I won’t be bidding against you).
Regards
Biezmez.
Thanks for a thorough feedback.
I'm not able to go to see the watch in person.
I'm thinking in similar way as you: the watch is objectively worth ca 5000 SEK. Main value of this offer is the black dial. Dial itself in poor condition, low collector value.
However, it's likely that due to auction dynamics the price will hike to 8000 SEK. Plus 20% commission to auction house.
Doesn't seem like a reasonable deal.
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It's a possibility. I see what you mean. Though, I rather think it's an optical illusion due to light reflection.
Wouldn't you need a large amount of force to bend a lug? That kind of force likely affect rest of watch, too? But I don't notice any indication of blunt force on other parts of watch.
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·Looks like top lug is bent. Hands not original. Trashy dial, tired movement
I'd pay about $75.00 for the balance and gears and trash the rest.
Look for something else and in nicer condition
DON
Thanks for feedback. Can you give me your logic as to why you say the dial is trashy? That seems like a very strong statement. How would you comment the dial condition of the other 2400-2 example posted to this thread?
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·How do you manage to asses the dial with that picture (reflexes) and the heavily scratched dial?
Regarding the movement I enclose a picture of a similar "dirty" one. It runs flawlessly and these movements are real work horses. It has also experienced moisture as seen on the picture.
(I have no interest what so ever in the watch we are discussing).
30T2s can take a beating. Not so worried about the movement. Plus, seems easy to find authentic replacement parts.
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·First of all. You assessed the watch as correct when the hands are not correct. They would be silver to match the small second hand
Second - oxidation on the crown wheel shows a possible underlying moisture problem
Third - Lug bent and case has a dull finish which could mean metal fatigue along with pitting behind two of the bottom lugs
Fourth - Seller says dial is damaged
Your watch
Damaged lugs - garbage case
Rust around the outside, in some of the screw holes, on the crown wheel and on the stem
$75.00 as the balance looks good, and some gears
I rebuilt all these movements, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about 😀
Just because it says Omega. Doesn't mean it automatically has value. One need to examine the entire watch carefully to avoid falling into a money pit of repairs or worse. A complete waste of money on a non fixable watch
This is just my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own. If you don't agree with it. Thats your choice and same for others, but I would not buy it. I would wait and look for one in better condition and pay a little more
Great feedback. Thanks for elaborating your thoughts on the watch. It's very helpful for educational purposes.
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·Moisture - Yes. Worn case - yes. Many of the Suverän watches suffer from heavy use. But it's the dial that is important. I can not asses how damaged it is. (damaged crystal). The radium looks good. I stand corrected about the colour of the hands, though the type is correct. The specific watch will be at auction on March 7. I will be surprised if it don't sell for at least US $400.
https://www.kaplans.se/sv/auktioner/3704/vara/1628630
Here is an example with a quite damaged dial.
I also think that the luming on numerals is good. Must look for NOS hands, though.
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·Thanks for a thorough feedback.
I'm not able to go to see the watch in person.
I'm thinking in similar way as you: the watch is objectively worth ca 5000 SEK. Main value of this offer is the black dial. Dial itself in poor condition, low collector value.
However, it's likely that due to auction dynamics the price will hike to 8000 SEK. Plus 20% commission to auction house.
Doesn't seem like a reasonable deal.
.....and you’ll still probably need a service which can set you back approx 3k sek, more depending on if there’s parts that need replacing. So you’ll possibly be getting into it for somewhere between 9-12k at the end of the day and there’s a lot of nicer watches out there for that price(imho).
I see there’s a couple of bids on it already and it’s at 4700sek.
Another member (HvH_Sweden)recently posted a very nice Suverän she mentioned about putting out on Tradera. I know it’s not a black dial but it’s in really nice condition.
Whatever you decide, best of luck with the hunt.
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·Hi again.
See that the final sales price was 4800sek. Did you bid on the watch?
See that the final sales price was 4800sek. Did you bid on the watch?
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·Hi again.
See that the final sales price was 4800sek. Did you bid on the watch?
In any case, this was a great experience. Thanks for all the contributors! Such a learning opportunity.
I will continue to look for a military style Omega with black dial and Arabic numerals.
