Building a collection with new or old Speedmaster models

weimi1 · Oct 24, 2019

Good morning, after I've been working on the subject of Speedmaster for a few years, I wonder if at the moment it's even worth investing in older models. Prices have risen sharply in the last year. Would you if you wanted to build a collection now rather build on the new models or take the older models in the collection, even if their prices are sometimes extremely high at the moment.
Example:
Speedmaster 3692.30 last year in the fullset for around 14,000 euros. At the moment, already around 22,000 euros are called.

If you knew that the prices would continue to develop, it would not be a question. But at any price I would not want to strike.

STANDY · Oct 24, 2019

My collection

1st bought in 2013 (I am making my own vintage and wearing it like it’s stolen)

2nd

3rd

Will I keep going, maybe a ST 3 ? Don’t know would have to see it.

Wasn’t interested in the 50th, wasn’t interested in Snoopy

I live remote, tropical with humidity so not interested in vintage Speedmasters, could have bought before the rush but decided a modern fitted where I live and what I do for work. ( if I was a city slicker with a suit job I may have bought vintage )

3 bits of advice
Buy what you like.
Wear them.
You don’t loose money if you don’t sell them.

VjaceCZ · Oct 24, 2019

First of all you should decide whether you collect or invest or do both.

If you collect, don't look at the prices and collect what you like, what you love, what makes sense to you.

If you invest, don't look at the design, don't care what you like but you will fall asleep and wake up with the chrono24 ads, checking auctions all the time and making sharp graphs showing how good your portfolio raise, flipping newly released models, etc.

Making both is difficult - buying what you like, checking prices and spending hours and hours deciding if you should sell it now or later, regretting you should sell it last year or you shouldn't sell it because the price is still growing...

All options are relevant. But clarifying what is your interest is important to have clear strategy while buying new pieces.

Anyway good luck!

Claven2 · Oct 24, 2019

I agree. Buy what you want to wear.

You can't predict what will go up or down with certainty, but if you really like it for the price you have to pay, chances are others will too.

My watches are not my 401K.

Davidt · Oct 24, 2019

The best balance between value and vintage in the Speedmaster market are those produced from the late 60's to late 70's. I.e. 145.022-69 to 145.022-78.

The key thing is to seek out examples in top condition of those with particularly attractive aging/patina.

They're not quite in the same league but I also think the 80's CRS cased Speedmasters offer great value and often have lume that's aged to a wonderful shade.

If I was starting out with on eye on value, these two periods are the ones I'd go for.

Davidt · Oct 24, 2019

As an aside, of you want to see a capital return, I wouldn't be looking at Speedmasters or any collectibles at the minute.

SpeedyPhill · Oct 24, 2019

The hunt & chase is definitively part of the fun... modern Speedies can be easily found and at pricing going up, reaching 5 numbers, one can get a vintage 1960s Speedmaster instead 👍

Davidt · Oct 24, 2019

The chase is certainly a huge part of the fun.

I need to be strict with myself as I often prefer the anticipation and excitement of a new find arriving over actually owning and wearing the watch.

Frequently Ive done loads of research, had saved searches set up for a long period, chased down a watch and been like a kid on Christmas morning when the postman arrives, followed by the the excitement of opening, inspecting, cleaning and strapping on a new find, only to then leave it in a box for the next six months.

VjaceCZ · Oct 24, 2019

Davidt
The chase is certainly a huge part of the fun.

I need to be strict with myself as I often prefer the anticipation and excitement of a new find arriving over actually owning and wearing the watch.

Frequently Ive done loads of research, had saved searches set up for a long period, chased down a watch and been like a kid on Christmas morning when the postman arrives, followed by the the excitement of opening, inspecting, cleaning and strapping on a new find, only to then leave it in a box for the next six months.

Haha, I just see myself in your post 🤦 😁

weimi1 · Oct 24, 2019

SpeedyPhill
The hunt & chase is definitively part of the fun... modern Speedies can be easily found and at pricing going up, reaching 5 numbers, one can get a vintage 1960s Speedmaster instead 👍

😀 Hunting can make happy:

Last Year two Apollo11 25th

machamp6650 · Oct 24, 2019

Davidt
Frequently Ive done loads of research, had saved searches set up for a long period, chased down a watch and been like a kid on Christmas morning when the postman arrives, followed by the the excitement of opening, inspecting, cleaning and strapping on a new find, only to then leave it in a box for the next six months.

Hahaha I've been there mate 👍

Om3ga321 · Oct 24, 2019

I have both modern and vintage.I cannot help myself but I only buy what I like.The future value never comes into the equation.

jaguar11 · Oct 25, 2019

To generally reflect other posts buy what you like. Potential value should be of no matter.

Spacefruit · Oct 25, 2019

It is essential to only buy what makes your heart sing when you look at, or hold it. NEVER buy because you think the guys in the pub will like it, and definitely never buy it if its because you think it is cheap. Better to buy too expensive, but you really really like it.

If you really like it, chances are someone else will when it comes to sell.

As for modern investment speedmasters - those worth less than MSRP after two/five years far outnumber those worth more.

Romega · Oct 25, 2019

My advice, collect the best vintage Speedies you can afford. Use the modern "standard" version 😀

Building a collection with new or old Speedmaster models

weimi1

STANDY

VjaceCZ

Claven2

Davidt

Davidt

SpeedyPhill

Davidt

VjaceCZ

weimi1

machamp6650

Om3ga321

jaguar11

Spacefruit

Romega

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