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mhoutz
·Main question would be do you think this is restored, or is this like... totally fabricated / brand new paint job.
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hugh162
·Redial, the Deville font is not in the right place. If you extend the “I” in “DEVILLE” upwards, on original dials it intersects with the end of the “m” in seamaster. In this dial, it intersects the middle of the “a” in seamaster.
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hoipolloi
·I would suggest that it's 'redialed' based on quality. My only question is like.... was this a black dial that was cleaned up? A silver or white dial that was reprinted entirely in black? Is the Turler connection totally made up?
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mhoutz
·Following up here. I've decided to keep the watch, knowing it's restored... at least it's a good job, and can serve as placeholder until I've found an unrestored one.
My question for the experts. What are some examples of Black dial Seamaster De Villes that aren't redialed? What is the source to determine authentic models?
My question for the experts. What are some examples of Black dial Seamaster De Villes that aren't redialed? What is the source to determine authentic models?
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hugh162
·I use Omega Enthusiast’s website as a catalogue of original dials. His prices are very high IMO, but good to use as reference.
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Spruce
··London sunburst dial fanFollowing up here. I've decided to keep the watch, knowing it's restored... at least it's a good job, and can serve as placeholder until I've found an unrestored one.
My question for the experts. What are some examples of Black dial Seamaster De Villes that aren't redialed? What is the source to determine authentic models?
But, if you like the watch and can live with what is sometimes referred to as ‘buyer’s remorse' then, of course, you must enjoy it. 99.9% of the people who see it on your wrist will neither know nor care that it has a ‘restored' dial.
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Davidt
·Have a search through the for sale section here as several original SMDVs with black dials have sold
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pele
·From the Türler Point of View it looks legit to me compared to other Türler watches of different Brands I have... It might even be an option that they ordered special batches...
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Passover
·Has this been mentioned before by a member????
On all other SMDVs I found "Türler" is positioned in the upper half of the dial, below "Omega", not in the lower half of the dial...
The Ü-Dots over the U are misshaped, should have a round shape
On all other SMDVs I found "Türler" is positioned in the upper half of the dial, below "Omega", not in the lower half of the dial...
The Ü-Dots over the U are misshaped, should have a round shape
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mhoutz
·I imagine that you paid for the watch on the basis that the dial was original so you now know that it isn’t and, effectively, you’ve been misled; the watch isn’t worth what you paid for it and were you to want to sell it, it would likely be at a loss.
But, if you like the watch and can live with what is sometimes referred to as ‘buyer’s remorse' then, of course, you must enjoy it. 99.9% of the people who see it on your wrist will neither know nor care that it has a ‘restored' dial.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!hoipolloi makes a great point - I suppose it doesn't say anything about tritium on the Swiss made bits.
@peatnick is it normal that your reference doesn't denote tritium? I would say it'd still be uncommon for a SMDV. If there is an exception for black dial SMDVs, either the dial is replaced/redialed or the hands are wrong.
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersI bought it for $1000 knowing it was a 'redial', but not really knowing the extent to what a redial meant or could mean. And from what I've learned on this forum, it's more or less a broad brush term used to discount anything that isn't 'original' which frankly I find ridiculous. Sure it would be great to have an original paint 1960s car in great condition, and will keep an eye out for an untouched 1960s SMDV black dial, but this repainted one looks fantastic to me, has original movement/dial elements, and I'm positive I could sell this today for what I've paid, if not more.
Redial is not a broad brush anything.
It’s exactly what it says it is - a repainted dial.
This hobby simply prizes originality and collectors pay a premium for that originality.
It boils our piss when folks new to vintage watches get ripped off by unscrupulous sellers using weasely words like ‘professionally restored’, meaning repainted.
You, on the other hand, knew it was a redial and didn’t pay that much for the watch - so all is good.
And, due to the nature of the watch, I suspect you could indeed resell the watch for the same price - even if you did disclose the non-originality of the dial.
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mhoutz
·You’re missing the point here @mhoutz.
Redial is not a broad brush anything.
It’s exactly what it says it is - a repainted dial.
This hobby simply prizes originality and collectors pay a premium for that originality.
It boils our piss when folks new to vintage watches get ripped off by unscrupulous sellers using weasely words like ‘professionally restored’, meaning repainted.
You, on the other hand, knew it was a redial and didn’t pay that much for the watch - so all is good.
And, due to the nature of the watch, I suspect you could indeed resell the watch for the same price - even if you did disclose the non-originality of the dial.
I definitely agree that if you're going to sell something that's restored, or redialed, it should definitely be clearly stated.
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