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Black Dial Constellation ref 2852 WG Furniture

  1. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 8, 2016

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    opinions sought on whether this dial shows any evidence of refinishing.

    Also, can any dating be gathered by the numerals stamped ?

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  2. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jul 8, 2016

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    You've got to show the front
     
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  3. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 8, 2016

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    Only pic so far from my watchmaker.

    Just emailed him for some front shots.

    away traveling not at my PC where original shots are stored.

    Just learning these dial back signs, why need the front shots?

    It is a black dial, pie pan, cal 505, WG large arrowheads.
     
  4. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jul 8, 2016

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    The front is how this question is answered 99% of the time.
     
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  5. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 8, 2016

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    I was reading throu a ton of posts on how the redialers are getting so good, I figured no one could erase tell tale signs on the back.
     
  6. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jul 8, 2016

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    Not for vintage omegas. The level of expertise here is such that for vintage omegas, redials can be identified 99.9% of the time when viewed from the front. And the back can be tricky for many reasons and even glue obviously applied to 1 or 2 areas could just mean a loose marker was reattached.
     
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  7. fjf

    fjf Jul 8, 2016

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    Is it gold?. If not those scratched areas (if old) should have tarnished...It it is bronze or brass those sanded areas are recent...
     
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  8. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 8, 2016

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    Ok, thank you. I'll post them when I can.
     
  9. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 8, 2016

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    fjf,

    Others more knowledgable will have to chime in, but it has a SS case and WG markers/hands ref 2852
     
  10. hoipolloi

    hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Jul 8, 2016

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    This is the other side of an original 18k dial 2852
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  11. mondodec

    mondodec Editor Constellation Collectors Blog Jul 9, 2016

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    What the back tell us is that the rivetted applied markers and logo have not been removed or removed and re-tapped. This is one check in the assessment process of a dial, usually a later one after dial inspection proves inconclusive.

    In most redials, the markers are removed when the dial is repainted and then glued back. I have seen a few instances where the markers have been cold soldered. Both instances are a good sign of a redial.

    So what we see is an encouraging sign. But as Mike said, a glance at the dial will confirm the good news.

    Cheers

    Desmond
     
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  12. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 10, 2016

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    image.jpeg Well, I'll have to wait till I can take a few shots of the front when it gets to my house. My watchmakers skill at photos could be better. The reflections and hands covered up important fonts, ect. By the time I received pix, it was boxed and posted.:eek:

    Love pristine screw heads on 60 year old watches.

    You can see the blur in the case back picture, but should be able to tell that no watchmaker marks were found and the rotor had not been rubbing.

    We'll have to make due with these

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    Dontcha love factory butlering and embossed stars with lots of definition! The "Constellation " and "Waterproof " are well represented just not in these pictures.::facepalm1::

    Nifty 10 sided crown, too.

    He was under strict orders(and it is a Standing Order) not to polish, just clean case.

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    1958 via case back and serial number.....1,608x,xxx

    I believe the dial will pass muster here, but it and I will be home about the same day and I will post my pictures and get your opinion then.:)
     
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  13. Giff2577

    Giff2577 Quick with the tools! Jul 10, 2016

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    ::popcorn::
     
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  14. fjf

    fjf Jul 10, 2016

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  15. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 10, 2016

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    Oh, did I mention it has a crosshair, too?
     
  16. cristos71

    cristos71 Jul 10, 2016

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    Hmm, I'm getting cross,hair pulling is not out of the question....now, where's that dial?!?!
     
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  17. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 11, 2016

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    owwww, no hair pulling.....


    I dug this arrival pix out of a ton of trashed emails, best I can do till Thursday.

    Came with"of the era" Sliding Clasp JB Champion bracelet. Just no Omega symbol on clasp.

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  18. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 11, 2016

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    Oh, and also, no date:thumbsup:
     
  19. cristos71

    cristos71 Jul 11, 2016

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    Looking good! Dibs! :)
     
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  20. TexOmega

    TexOmega Jul 11, 2016

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    Wow, that was quick. :D

    Sure you don't want to see after COA pix? With new Omega crystal?
     
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