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The Ineos literally just got off of the Truck and they let me do a semi extended test drive never got washed.

so now I need to decide which I want to keep.

both are great. The Rivians amazing but no drama. The Ineos is all drama. ICE vs Electric..

The Riv is arguable better in every category but soulless even though it does 0-60 in 3 seconds and cleared the Rubicon trail with no issues.

both exceptional and a true first world problem.


Having read a couple of not so flattering reviews of the on road driving experience of the Ineos, I'd see if maybe you can rent one for a week and really see what it's like in public, they just may have too much drama.
 
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A few photos from a Simeone Museum (Philadelphia, PA) event and Interstate Motorsports (Pennington, NJ), both worth a visit if in the area.

Keep the shiny side up. Cheers!
 
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Having read a couple of not so flattering reviews of the on road driving experience of the Ineos, I'd see if maybe you can rent one for a week and really see what it's like in public, they just may have too much drama.
Great point, I have put about 30 miles on them now and 10 on the freeway. The steering complaints are a little over exaggerated, it does require more force to go on center at slow speed than most due to the recirculating ball steering that is better for offroad. People forget older cars are all like that as well. The NVH in hugely different if you have one of the rare carpeted options, instead of the hose-out interior with carpet mats, massively quiter actually.

It has solid axel wander on the freeway, but not as bad as modern jeeps IMHO. Its alot of compromises for that extra 10 percent off road prowess that nothing else has... On the other hand no issues charging on long trips or when off roading.
 
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Great point, I have put about 30 miles on them now and 10 on the freeway. The steering complaints are a little over exaggerated, it does require more force to go on center at slow speed than most due to the recirculating ball steering that is better for offroad. People forget older cars are all like that as well. The NVH in hugely different if you have one of the rare carpeted options, instead of the hose-out interior with carpet mats, massively quiter actually.

It has solid axel wander on the freeway, but not as bad as modern jeeps IMHO. Its alot of compromises for that extra 10 percent off road prowess that nothing else has... On the other hand no issues charging on long trips or when off roading.

As an aside, I was a bit surprised when Rusnak Pasadena dumped Jaguar for Ineos, I know Jaguar sales continue to slide but can there really be that much of a market for these here?
 
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Great point, I have put about 30 miles on them now and 10 on the freeway. The steering complaints are a little over exaggerated, it does require more force to go on center at slow speed than most due to the recirculating ball steering that is better for offroad. People forget older cars are all like that as well. The NVH in hugely different if you have one of the rare carpeted options, instead of the hose-out interior with carpet mats, massively quiter actually.

It has solid axel wander on the freeway, but not as bad as modern jeeps IMHO. Its alot of compromises for that extra 10 percent off road prowess that nothing else has... On the other hand no issues charging on long trips or when off roading.

The whole point of of a 4x4 is off road capability if it's just for made roads then a car would be better suited to the job surely, I see no point in all these modern softcock SUVs for the urban jungle, other than wank factor. Though the 4wd would be handy in shiitful winter conditions in places that have such delights, even then driver skill and tyre choice will be a big factor in how well they cope.
 
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I can't really believe I'm saying this, but I think I'd keep The R1 if I were you...
 
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hm... what is it??? 馃槙


Nothing the US Army ever used. Looks like a Chinese Changjian 650 outfit.

You can see the brand name on the plaque across the headlight, just like this "Australian Army" version 馃榿.

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I was on my couch for it!

How did you watch it in the US? It seems it's locked behind a different app paywall every year and I've given up on it
 
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MAX (HBO) streamed the entire race. Was a lot easier to watch this year.

Bugger ... I thought it was on Motorsport and I was not going to subscribe for one weekend.
 
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How did you watch it in the US? It seems it's locked behind a different app paywall every year and I've given up on it

What @liquidsongbird said. I don't remember how I figured it out initially but it was broadcast through the sports section of HBO Max App.
I've never looked to HBO for sports, but it looks like they have MotoGP as well as cycling.
 
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MAX (HBO) streamed the entire race. Was a lot easier to watch this year.

Aw hell. Would've watched for sure if I'd known ahead of time!

(Which, there used to be articles on Jalopnik, The Drive etc all around how to watch the 24 Hours in the weeks ahead of the race, but no more. Really gone downhill, those)
 
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Aw hell. Would've watched for sure if I'd known ahead of time!

(Which, there used to be articles on Jalopnik, The Drive etc all around how to watch the 24 Hours in the weeks ahead of the race, but no more. Really gone downhill, those)

I still "follow" Jalopnik on facebook and it seems as if every article (and I use that term loosely) they publish these days is just political.
I've found that Peacock is good for Indy and IMSA. But I don't think that is a secret.
I subscribe to the F1 TV app these days...so that's easy.