Audemars Piguet X Swatch

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IMHO these are two differents watches targeting two very different market.
Only time will tell if the buyer of this 'thing' will become a potential buyer for the RO.
What I fail to comprehend is this: what’s the point of generating more awareness or demand for the RO, when the existing demand is far beyond what AP is willing to supply? Just try walking into an AP boutique and ask for a Jumbo or a 15550 and see how far “brand discovery” gets you.

If the objective is to increase demand for other AP collections (are there any?), why use the RO, the one AP line that needs no additional demand whatsoever, as the basis of the collab? In fact, this only reinforces the very problem AP has had for years: that, to many people, AP effectively equals RO.

Plus, I find the Moonswatch comparison a bit weak. The gap between a Swatch and an Omega is large, but still within a conceivable aspirational ladder (20x?) for many buyers. The gap between a Swatch and an AP is on an entirely different scale (at least 100x).

To me, this is not really a push for immediate demand, but the result of a marketing consultant slide about how AP should “start brand-seeding and creating a connection with Gen-Z” potential future buyers –so that, if some of these buyers have the means in the future, they will consider AP because they once had one of these little RO-shaped toys when they were young.
 
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What I fail to comprehend is this: what’s the point of generating more awareness or demand for the RO, when the existing demand is far beyond what AP is willing to supply? Just try walking into an AP boutique and ask for a Jumbo or a 15550 and see how far “brand discovery” gets you.

If the objective is to increase demand for other AP collections (are there any?), why use the RO, the one AP line that needs no additional demand whatsoever, as the basis of the collab? In fact, this only reinforces the very problem AP has had for years: that, to many people, AP effectively equals RO.

Plus, I find the Moonswatch comparison a bit weak. The gap between a Swatch and an Omega is large, but still within a conceivable aspirational ladder (20x?) for many buyers. The gap between a Swatch and an AP is on an entirely different scale (at least 100x).

To me, this is not really a push for immediate demand, but the result of a marketing consultant slide about how AP should “start brand-seeding and creating a connection with Gen-Z” potential future buyers –so that, if some of these buyers have the means in the future, they will consider AP because they once had one of these little RO-shaped toys when they were young.

If you believe reddit, the path to any desirable royal oak involves a few Codes, and a few Offshores first.

Only then will AP deem you worthy of buying at retail.

But in their defense, they are honest and up front about it
 
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FWIW I think this marketing exercise is genius (just like the Moonswatch). Hype up the watches, ensure scarcity, then watch the punters fight it out amongst themselves to ensure publicity and resale value (at least in the short term). On the plus side, at least it generates interest in watches and helps cultivate the next generation of enthusiasts, right?
 
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Respectfully, was that true for the Snoopy, Ed White, any modern Rolex?
No but the main difference is people aren’t dumping them by the car boot load, during the early days of the initial MoonSwatch there were a bunch of dudes, some from the sneaker scalping world trying it here and we didn’t want them pushing down better listings
 
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There's a difference between the established market value of an item, and scalping.

And you know that. Or, you probably know that.
Not for the first guy who bought it.

I remember when Snoopys first came out at about 9k and were being sold for about 19k.

Would people pay almost twice as much for a second hand Batman GMT if they knew they could only sell it afterwards for MSRP? Is Rolex so dumb that they undervalue their watches MSRP so dramatically?

Yes, at some future point a watch might increase in value and we have to pay more. (I know this pain first hand having just paid $15k for a AS meterorite speedy.) How long is that? The third seller, a year, two years?

I'm no philosopher, but it seems like we watch enthusiastics have contributed to this Swatch flipping madness. Not to mention Swatch group and AP themselves. Weren't they hoping for and counting on these lines of flippers? That contributes to the hype they wanted.

These scalpers didn't appear in a vacuum. And no one is forcing anyone to pay scalper prices for a watch. It's not like there's a limited number of watches produced.

Yeah, it's distasteful, but so are meme stocks and bitcoin and IPOs and new GT3s getting flipped.
 
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sneaker scalping world
I forgot about this. My boomer mind has a hard time with sneaker collecting. But I gues it's just another form of collecting.
 
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These scalpers didn't appear in a vacuum. And no one is forcing anyone to pay scalper prices for a watch. It's not like there's a limited number of watches produced.
I can't imagine people haven't learned from the MoonSwatch roll out and just wait a few months instead of buying on the grey market.
 
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In Oslo as well. But the store refused to open because of littering and trouble in the queue.

People had flown in from Latvia and From Albania to purchase watches.

In interviews people said "its a chance to get a cool/good watch at a low price" !!!??? Well IMO the watch is fun, but waaay to expencive for a pice of plastic with a cheap movement.

The Albaninan man said he was going to sell them to make money. Poore guy.
 
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I can't imagine people haven't learned from the MoonSwatch roll out and just wait a few months instead of buying on the grey market.
I couldn't agree more. But some people just have to be the first with the latest so that they can show off to their friends, on Insta, YouTube, TikTok etc
 
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The Albaninan man said he was going to sell them to make money.
In the Netherlands someone in line thought he could sell it for 10k.::facepalm1::
 
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In the Netherlands someone in line thought he could sell it for 10k.::facepalm1::
There's just not enough time for the salespeople to interview all these people to make sure their not flippers. If the staff think they're not worthy of a Royal Pop, they could suggest that they buy a Flik Flak instead whilst they take their details to go on a "wait list" 🤪
 
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Respectfully, was that true for the Snoopy, Ed White, any modern Rolex?
Can't compare orange and apple
 
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This totally passed me knew nothing about it until we tried working in covent garden London night before launch. It was like a refugee camp with tents on the pavement and the line of people waiting for the place too open was incredible
Just a wishful thinking but maybe this watch is a door to discover other watches. And who know, maybe one might catch the bugg.
 
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Can't compare orange and apple
I dont know, if both oranges and apples are hyped up and there is artificial scarcity they look very much alike to me.
 
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I dont know, if both oranges and apples are hyped up and there is artificial scarcity they look very much alike to me.
You are right.
 
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I dont know, if both oranges and apples are hyped up and there is artificial scarcity they look very much alike to me.
Are we gullible for believing major watch manufacturers think of buyers any differently than Swatch collabs?


"Look at all those Swatch sheeple"
 
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Are we gullible for believing major watch manufacturers think of buyers any differently than Swatch collabs?


"Look at all those Swatch sheeple"
A bit gullible maybe, Swatch s just following the major manufacturers playbook. I think every salesman in the world dreams of being in the position were customers are lining up to buy their products.

The difference is maybe that its more "noble" if the product is more expensive.
 
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The ramonetas always play with marked cards.

Selling and buying above retail price is a deplorable thing.
 
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Sooo, anyone get one yet?? I will definitely be picking one up when I don't have to wait in line.