Hello again!

Last time I posted, you guys helped me spot a redial, and thus saved me - I really appreciated all your help, and I am hoping to pick your brains once again!

I do not know much about the weave dial or the tt black dial of the second watch.

First watch is a 135.003 weave cal 268. The seller wants close to £440 for it, and had been serviced in 2015. The watch is worn, but the dial looks very good compared to the rest of the watch.

Second watch is a 2791 TT cal 266. The seller wants £540 for it, and has been serviced in 2015 as well. The crown here is the wrong one, and the sub sec hand seems a bit too worn. But not sure if it even matters. Maybe the hour and minute hands has been replaced at some point.


I could use some help with these watches - I really do like both of them, but as I am having a really hard time finding dials etc I can compare these watches to, to check for authenticity.

Hope you guys can help!

Regards,

Chris

Watch one, 135.003:








Watch 2, 2791:

 

A friend has a slightly earlier version of the SM 30 with a similar linen dial.




Note the different ref number and movement (cal 285 vs cal 286). Very similar (sorry, no dial pics available), and acquired ~ five years ago for a little less than what the current seller is asking for. The external condition of my friend's example is better, but not substantially.

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Original black dials are very hard to come by; they were always difficult, but it seems it's getting harder by the year. Unless there's a shakeout in the market, finding a vintage Omega with an original black dial can only get tougher. If I didn't already have one (actually, two), and truly wanted to own an example, then I'd be a buyer at the asking price.

Cordially,

Art

 

Deeply appreciate it! Ended up buying the black two tone 2791 for £500.

I was close to buying both at one point, but i figured id wait and look for a better piece.

Regards,

Chris

 

Nice Chris. I really like that one.

 

Ouch, you just paid what is here commonly refered to as the "n00b-tax"

You can do alot better, and you will eventually

 

Yeah I thought it was a bit much, but I really liked it.

What would you say the "n00b-tax" was here? how much should i have paid?

 

I'd say, not a huge amount - less than £100 when you consider how much more we have to pay in the UK compared to the USA.

 

I think you are both a bit off in this case. Less than £500 for a serviced, black dialed 36mm vintage Omega would be a steal, IMO. What are your references?

(full disclosure - if these really are sub-£500 watches, I might have been stung a bit recently )

 

If somebody offered me those watches.

$150 for the 30 and $125.00 for the 285 due to case condition and only for the movement. Case too beaten up to restore

Black dial. If original. Hands are wrong. If the hands are original to the watch. Redial or dial from another watch.

DON

 

I have to disagree with your assesment on the 2791 (I think this is the one you refer to as a "285", right?).

Those hands are identical to the ones on my 2792 and 2892, and the dial has the exact same aging/look, which I've seen on numerous watches of those references. Are you refering to the seconds hand? It looks similar to what I've seen elsewhere.

Here's the advert: http://www.ursiden.dk/index.php?id=... order by uid desc&queryLimit=0&details=17840

I'll give you that the case has some pitting, but in my view, this doesn't detract that much from it.

Fair enough if you wouldn't want to purchase them yourself, but advice on value should be on fair market value. Would love to know how you came to those ($150 and $125) figures.

 

Case and dial conditions. I buy to restore and resell. Like any purchase. Defects lower the prices.

SM 30 dial has corrosion on the hands and indexes. Scratches on the case and a lot of wear on the back (and crappy engraving)

Second. My error. Look at someone else's movement.

Caliber 266

Poor case condition. Heavy dings and dents that can't be removed without altering case shape, so no value on the case unless you like that sort of thing. I don't.

Dial and hands.

If you look at a lot of genuine dials and hands. Minute hand will match minute marks. So either the hands are not right for this model or the dial is from another watch or a redial

I have a couple of this type of dial and none of the hands I have on hand match the minute marks (they're both redials), so my conclusion is it's a redial

All 3 below samples are 266. All current 266 on Ebay have minute marks on the outside. Few completed on the inside with proper matching hands







DON

 

Although I kind of like both watches, I have to agree that (a least) the second hand on the black one seems non-genuine. Not sure about hour and minute hands...DON probably knows a lot more than me.

One extra detail to further support the redial is the fact that SWISS MADE has poor positioning. Or better yet the last S from SWISS seems to touch the vertical line that goes from top to bottom.

 

Here's an old image I posted once before. Different dials, but notice the minute hands. They all match the location of the minute marks. Large variety of dial designs, cases and calibers

DON

 

I have seen at least five different 2792/2791/2892s - ALL with original dials with minute hands that cross the minute indexes. For this reference, I most certainly believe it's correct. @tdn-dk owns one of them, and will, hopefully, support this. You look at the caliber, where you should look at the reference.

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Look at the overall condition and look at others of the same variety - this looks perfectly fine. I'm standing here with my own two black dialed 2XXXs and the dial condition - fade, tone of black/gold and thinness of minute marks/logo are completely consistent.

So you buy to restore and resell and you believe that this is the case for the OP as well? If you bought these for the price you argued they were worth, you could put them on the market and make an instant 200% profit - at least. Now tell me what their true market value is?

 

Correct, the 2792/2791/2892s has minute hands that normally cross the minute indexes, and i dont see any problems with the dial and hand of the OP's 2791, is a nice watch and will go for about + - £450 where i live. Here is my 2791

 

OP is an end user in that he paid the sellers price. All the watches in the large image were purchased between 2001 and 2009. Most expensive was the small second SM, middle row second from the right which cost me $150.00. All were sold in the purge a number of years ago for about $150 - $250 as is running after my watchmaker passed away. Reasonably priced all with non corroded cases and 7/10 movements.

None were rare. Even restored I never sold for more than $350.00 for regular Omega models before I stopped around 2007

Examples - Omegas sold for $300 ea. Longines for $350

Today I could have gotten more, but look at the work I put into them. Dial, crystal, case polish, crown, hands and cleaning

Watches also kept excellent time as I tested them over 4 days in various postions

One basically got a brand new watch

I don't buy today because eveyone thinks they're selling a Patek

 

I was talking about this. Doesn't it look bad ?