Are you concerned with Omega rubber straps?

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I'm not in favor of a ban. Because people like the OP are incapable of understanding nuance, hysterical activists/lobbyists will demand a total ban (in part because it helps them raise funds), and politicians will gradually go along with it, for political reasons, not for scientific reasons. We see similar silly bans for many technologies that are entirely safe and proven, just because certain political parties and lobbying groups have successfully created fear. Year after year, decade after decade, we hear the same tired mantra, "you can't prove that it's 100% safe."

A more measured approach that regulates their use more carefully would be much more appropriate. Toxicology involves the thoughtful and scientific balance of risk versus benefit, not an automatic total ban of anything that has any measurable level of risk.

Certainly we should avoid them in applications where they are spilled in massive amounts into the environment and people are necessarily exposed in ways that they can be ingested (e.g. firefighting foam), especially if there are viable alternatives. However, there are other applications where perfluorocarbon coatings perform in ways that can't be duplicated and risk to the user is minimal, e.g. lightweight waterproof breathable membranes.

I agree with all of this- and I apologize for speaking for "everyone" with such a short sentence. At this point I'm a bit.... burned out on debating this with the OP, who has not come to the discussion table in a reasonable or intellectually straight (scrupulous?) way.

My post should have been a lot more complex, because logically if we get to the "full ban" state, we likely would have already done lots of reducing of use in other industries, found a (hopefully better for us) alternative, Done even more scientific research to determine that it REALLY is harmful in watch straps and other relatively non-reactive rubbers, &c &c &c. For the sake of rational conversation with everyone else... that's what I should have said.
 
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burned out on debating this with the OP, who has not come to the discussion table in a reasonable or intellectually straight (scrupulous?) way.

My post should have been a lot more complex, because logically if we get to the "full ban" state, we likely would have already done lots of reducing of use in other industries, found a (hopefully better for us) alternative, Done even more scientific research to determine that it REALLY is harmful in watch straps and other relatively non-reactive rubbers, &c &c &c. For the sake of rational conversation with everyone else... that's what I should have said.
I did remember we had conversation about omega nato straps where I told you the metal parts in these straps causing serious discomfort issues. You denied it.
In order to have logic conversation you want me to contact the laboratory and to make my own tests? You are asking to do what people already did.
Have you seen an Apple rubber strap after 5 years of regular use? I do have one. It starts to show “wear” and I guess in a bad way. I could consider that as cut the strap and extract PFAS from it. People often wear those straps for a very long time. I do personally have one (from our favorite brand) and it’s like new. It’s easy to clean it with toothbrush and soap. Try to do the same on a plastic G-shock strap - it doesn’t work in the same way.
All watch companies will tell you that their products comply with national regulations concerning chemical substances, like PFAS.
It doesn’t matter high quality fluoroelastomers or not these are bad particles.
Most of us switch to rubber in the summer and it sounds from information we have it’s even more dangerous.
In this thread we had a very good example with “firefighter gear manufactures”.
 
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I did remember we had conversation about omega nato straps where I told you the metal parts in these straps causing serious discomfort issues. You denied it.

I appreciate the reminder about this thread. I remembered it- but I hadn't directly compared and contrasted the way in which the two threads unfurled so similarly. The construction is the same: the original post is posed as a question "what do you think of x", but in both threads what was really meant is "I have an opinion/experience and everyone else should share that opinion/experience." That you see a valid difference of opinion or experience as denial of your own experience or opinion... well, that's highly problematic if it's unintentional, because it's absolutely a false equivalence. Both threads then follow essentially the same pattern of fairly unbelievable.... relatively extreme comparisons and general conversation (here's a good one):


So I guess at this point, we have a sample greater than one; as you said earlier in this thread "the science has been provided," and this science show that people don't always share your opinions and experiences. What you do with this information is obviously your decision; no one can stop you from being continuously shocked that others might not share your experience.


Regarding the rest of your post- it's going in circles, so I'm going to bow out.
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I appreciate the reminder about this thread. I remembered it- but I hadn't directly compared and contrasted the way in which the two threads unfurled so similarly. The construction is the same: the original post is posed as a question "what do you think of x", but in both threads what was really meant is "I have an opinion/experience and everyone else should share that opinion/experience." That you see a valid difference of opinion or experience as denial of your own experience or opinion... well, that's highly problematic if it's unintentional, because it's absolutely a false equivalence. Both threads then follow essentially the same pattern of fairly unbelievable.... relatively extreme comparisons and general conversation (here's a good one):


So I guess at this point, we have a sample greater than one; as you said earlier in this thread "the science has been provided," and this science show that people don't always share your opinions and experiences. What you do with this information is obviously your decision; no one can stop you from being continuously shocked that others might not share your experience.


Regarding the rest of your post- it's going in circles, so I'm going to bow out.
Haha, that NATO thread was a classic. This guy is constant entertainment, I really hope he doesn't get banned.
 
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It’s nice to be uncivilized. I don’t even know what PFA is, except for the middle letter.