Are we living through a time of declining ethics?

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am an American and I don't take kindly to someone criticizing my country using overly broad statements. Despite it's flaws America has done more to advance modern society than any other nation and suggesting America is largely responsible for the degradation of modern society is unfair and inaccurate.
That you are an American is irrelevant. I was born there, and lived in the U.S. for over 50 years.

I could produce mountains of facts to support what I asserted, but I won't, because the thread will be locked by moderators if it becomes overly political.
 
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My nationality isn't irrelevant. It's why I responded in the first place.

I could produce mountains of facts to the contrary.

In order to preserve the thread and it's original topic let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
 
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That you consider it to be relevant indicates that you are reacting emotionally. I prefer to rely on facts.
 
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Less engaged parents due to electronic devices, social media normalizing bad ethics, and minimal repercussions for those ethics? Yeah, bad recipe
 
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I think there are four people at work here: first the 'expert and specialist' and the 'price setter.' B reads it from A and makes the minimum bid or the price, C then types it into the computer. D swings the auction hammer. Done. And E as the buyer has no clue.
Name the culprit.
Good point!
 
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Clearly, a percentage of those who post in forums are looking for an argument. Maybe not enough love as an infant. Maybe not enough toys to play with. Either way, it's tedious from the start.
 
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It is never wrong to make a small profit on your horded capitol? Right? The whole Horatio Alger thing.
Have been reading a book on philosophy. Got to Kant today. The rose colored glasses etc. Interesting that a person born in Greenland sees a different reality than one born in India.

Personally I think Capitalism is about building a better mousetrap.
Monopolyisim says to buy the other mousetrap companies and sell only one type of mousetrap and prevent others from making mousetraps.

I'll leave the other ...isams as an exercise to the reader, since they tend to push buttons and cause the brain to shut down.

well they are to funny from my POV so here it goes.
Socialism, Get a cat no need for mousetraps.
Communism, The wolves are going to eat you anyway.
Fascism, you eat the mice yourself.

Then the one that is not an ...isam Theocracy, which says god will provide the mice.

and another through, what is an ethical mouse? Or can rats be ethical if mice are?
 
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I think there are four people at work here: first the 'expert and specialist' and the 'price setter.' B reads it from A and makes the minimum bid or the price, C then types it into the computer. D swings the auction hammer. Done. And E as the buyer has no clue.
Name the culprit.
From your list, most to least responsible…
 
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And nobody will interfere in A or check it in the end. And there won’t be any feedback for A after the sale.
 
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I don't think we’re living through a time of declining ethics.

People have always been people and the Industrial Revolution, allowed a certain set of people to exploit a different set on a mass scale. Nothings changed, just the number of people involved and your perspective.
 
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I don't think we’re living through a time of declining ethics.

People have always been people and the Industrial Revolution, allowed a certain set of people to exploit a different set on a mass scale. Nothings changed, just the number of people involved and your perspective.
Agreed, but it was the same in Roman times!

However, there does seem to be a growing kind of barefaced ‘yes I behaved unethically but so what’ attitude, particularly in the political realm and within certain national/multi-nationals currently.
For example, here in the UK water is privatised and there is little investment in infrastructure but huge salaries/bonuses for corporate leaders who allow shit to flow into our rivers and seas and basically shrug their shoulders so long as the share price doesn’t suffer.
 
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Exactly. The idea of “ethics” in any business that depends on making a profit is a convenient fiction - is it ethical for drug manufacturers to get a 100-200x markup on a vial of insulin in the US just so they can continue to make a profit on a substance that costs them then a $1 to make? I think not, but they were doing it up til a few years ago when the government forced them to offer it at reduced prices for people without insurance. That came too late for a young woman I knew since she was a child - she died from complications of her Type 1 diabetes because she couldn’t afford her insulin anymore and was only taking it a few times a week instead of daily like she needed. It was all she could afford.
Freedom!
 
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Agreed, but it was the same in Roman times!

However, there does seem to be a growing kind of barefaced ‘yes I behaved unethically but so what’ attitude, particularly in the political realm and within certain national/multi-nationals currently.
For example, here in the UK water is privatised and there is little investment in infrastructure but huge salaries/bonuses for corporate leaders who allow shit to flow into our rivers and seas and basically shrug their shoulders so long as the share price doesn’t suffer.

I work in the water industry and will say the reality isn’t nearly as cut and dry as the media would make out.

On the broader point, I agree that people/corporations are more brazen about their actions but that is also the same across many things due to great access to data, media, communications etc.
 
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For example, here in the UK water is privatised
Our provincial government has opened the door to that unfortunately, and we all know it won't end well...
 
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I have two deep, clean wells. Let them pry my water from my .....cold....clammy....moist hand
 
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Just this morning my wife and I were talking about the decline in ethical behaviour these days. 'How can they sleep at night...?"

Soundly. Like babies.

I say 'these days' but as pointed out above, this isn't new. Our 24 hour (millisecond?) news cycle and addictive social feeds have amplified this tremendously. What is missing, in my view, is critical thinking and the ability to appreciate context.

My father was an ethical man; he detested grifters, scammers, and those who grind someone down not because they can't afford the cost, but because they clearly enjoy taking advantage of hard working folks and winning at all costs; this, to my father at least, included their integrity. My Dad called them 'chislers'. For good or ill, this upbringing made me cast a wary eye (too wary sometimes) towards those I perceive as unethical. And boy oh boy there's no shortage of these types in our times. It's hard not to miss. It's even tougher to ignore.

I suspect when some people or businesses see leaders - corporate and elected - behaving like Gekko (or Nero or Caligula, say) and doubling down on deception and lie-fueled greed, they assume it's just fine to do the same. 'I want a piece, too!'.

It's that it has become so acceptable - unquestioned, even - that frustrates me the most. Whether watches or in life, 'buying the seller' is often a sound strategy.
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Just this morning my wife and I were talking about the decline in ethical behaviour these days. 'How can they sleep at night...?"

Soundly. Like babies.

I say 'these days' but as pointed out above, this isn't new. Our 24 hour (millisecond?) news cycle and addictive social feeds have amplified this tremendously. What is missing, in my view, is critical thinking and the ability to appreciate context.

My father was an ethical man; he detested grifters, scammers, and those who grind someone down not because they can't afford the cost, but because they clearly enjoy taking advantage of hard working folks and winning at all costs; this, to my father at least, included their integrity. My Dad called them 'chislers'. For good or ill, this upbringing made me cast a wary eye (too wary sometimes) towards those I perceive as unethical. And boy oh boy there's no shortage of these types in our times. It's hard not to miss. It's even tougher to ignore.

I suspect when some people or businesses see leaders - corporate and elected - behaving like Gekko (or Nero or Caligula, say) and doubling down on deception and lie-fueled greed, they assume it's just fine to do the same. 'I want a piece, too!'.

It's that it has become so acceptable - unquestioned, even - that frustrates me the most. Whether watches or in life, 'buying the seller' is often a sound strategy.
your dad sounds like a quality man
 
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your dad sounds like a quality man
Thank you. After his funeral (in 1987), an acquaintance of his came up to me and said, ‘your father was a good man’. This, in my view, is the perfect legacy.