Are members invested in Bitcoin/crypto?

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‘capitalism vs communism’ perhaps…

Increasingly two sides of the same bitcoin....shareholder capitalism/ communism.

Ultimately you can dig up gold from Viking raids and Roman hoards and sell or trade it... but without a grid power network, internet, computers and software you won’t have any bitcoin... so it needs a functioning technical society... which currently means the governments can take the ball away if they so chose.
 
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China has already done so.

I would say that they have begun the process, and that any additional country that follows suit would increase the pressure significantly.
 
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but without a grid power network, internet, computers and software you won’t have any bitcoin

Or ‘money in the bank’ either. ‘How to wipe your savings at the flick of a light switch’…
 
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Actually most of us are just here to make a couple bucks.

I think this is why most people have bought it. I won’t call it an investment really, because there really aren’t any fundamentals to look at to determine if the future value will go up or down. For me, it’s more gambling than investing, but I’m sure some will disagree.

But as an actual everyday currency, which was the original intent from what I gather, I don’t see that happening at all here in the real world. I know it can be used that way, but I’ve yet to have any customers of mine ask to pay in any form of crypto, and I don’t see businesses here give any indication that they would accept it. In everyday life here, it’s a non-event.
 
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Thankfully Virgin Galactic allows you to pay for space travel using Bitcoin. Phew....that's a relief 😕
 
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Or ‘money in the bank’ either. ‘How to wipe your savings at the flick of a light switch’…

I think inflation, interest rates and taxes are their stealth weapons of choice for that ;0)
 
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I think this is why most people have bought it. I won’t call it an investment really, because there really aren’t any fundamentals to look at to determine if the future value will go up or down. For me, it’s more gambling than investing, but I’m sure some will disagree.

But as an actual everyday currency, which was the original intent from what I gather, I don’t see that happening at all here in the real world. I know it can be used that way, but I’ve yet to have any customers of mine ask to pay in any form of crypto, and I don’t see businesses here give any indication that they would accept it. In everyday life here, it’s a non-event.
Good for you.
 
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Good for you.

Uh...thanks I guess? But it has nothing to do with me...
 
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I think this is why most people have bought it. I won’t call it an investment really, because there really aren’t any fundamentals to look at to determine if the future value will go up or down. For me, it’s more gambling than investing, but I’m sure some will disagree.

But as an actual everyday currency, which was the original intent from what I gather, I don’t see that happening at all here in the real world. I know it can be used that way, but I’ve yet to have any customers of mine ask to pay in any form of crypto, and I don’t see businesses here give any indication that they would accept it. In everyday life here, it’s a non-event.
It’s legal tender in El Salvador now, so I guess we’ll find out. The other legal tender there is the USD, so it’s game on.

About 25% of El Salvador’s GDP comes from remittances, which will be far cheaper and quicker with crypto than traditional methods. This is one of the superpowers of the new way of doing things.

edit: Another advantage of the crypto remittance is that most people in El Salvador don’t have bank accounts so they have to pick up their money at Western Union offices. Robbers know this, so this is a dangerous way to receive payments. All they need to receive BTC is a smartphone. This is not an unusual situation in other developing nations.
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I think this is why most people have bought it. I won’t call it an investment really, because there really aren’t any fundamentals to look at to determine if the future value will go up or down. For me, it’s more gambling than investing, but I’m sure some will disagree.

But as an actual everyday currency, which was the original intent from what I gather, I don’t see that happening at all here in the real world. I know it can be used that way, but I’ve yet to have any customers of mine ask to pay in any form of crypto, and I don’t see businesses here give any indication that they would accept it. In everyday life here, it’s a non-event.


Spot on.

The concept is still novel, utopian even.

However...

In a world aggressively retracting from "globalism", multiple governments fighting for dominance, others battling to remain relevant, and government backed currencies doing the same, crypto has no place unless it can be not just taxed, but controlled (at least as far as the world powers are concerned).

China has invested too much in developing countries to allow anything to exist and grow that could impact the value of that debt. Likewise, one of the greatest threats to communism is uncontrollable, private wealth (capitalism?).

If the US government at any point views it as a true threat to the USD, I would expect similar action. Today they seem more worried about trying to figure out how to tax it IMO.
 
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Does anyone really think the US govt is going to try to shut down crypto now that major financial institutions are on board? Who do you think is really calling the shots here?

If you think you’re diversified in your assets but don’t own BTC or ETH…
 
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Does anyone really think the US govt is going to try to shut down crypto now that major financial institutions are on board? Who do you think is really calling the shots here?

If you think you’re diversified in your assets but don’t own BTC or ETH…

This is somewhat my position. I have a small asset allocation to crypto. If it moons, I retire a bit earlier (or buy a couple grail watches 😁). If it turns out to be a giant scam or a technological dead end, then I'll still be ok financially.
 
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Does anyone really think the US govt is going to try to shut down crypto now that major financial institutions are on board? Who do you think is really calling the shots here?

It may well be wise to diversify into some CCs, but I would say that it is the governments, BIS, and central banks that are calling the shots, not the (by definition subservient) banks to which you refer. And until those dominant forces get on board, I would suggest that serious risks remain.
 
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It may well be wise to diversify into some CCs, but I would say that it is the governments, BIS, and central banks that are calling the shots, not the (by definition subservient) banks to which you refer. And until those dominant forces get on board, I would suggest that serious risks remain.
Subservient banks like Goldman Sachs where we get all of our Treasury Secretaries and the head of the SEC? Don’t make me laugh.

Serious risks remain, to be sure. Many of same people who manipulate silver markets and others have arrived. Being over-represented in crypto is no smarter than not having any.
 
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Subservient banks like Goldman Sachs where we get all of our Treasury Secretaries and the head of the SEC? Don’t make me laugh

Everyone knows that GS and Black Rock, etc., have gained tremendous power, but it is still a tail wagging the dog scenario. When push comes to shove, no bank is ultimately going to call the shots.

I'm delighted for anyone who has made money in the crypto space, but do not see why any government that issues its own currency would ultimately embrace a CC. And they have the ultimate power, at least until all confidence is lost.
 
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Everyone knows that GS and Black Rock, etc., have gained tremendous power, but it is still a tail wagging the dog scenario. When push comes to shove, no bank is ultimately going to call the shots.

I'm delighted for anyone who has made money in the crypto space, but do not see why any government that issues its own currency would ultimately embrace a CC. And they have the ultimate power, at least until all confidence is lost.
The government can’t destroy it. They can make it difficult to use, but the more they use heavy handed tactics, the more they illustrate the reason it exists in the first place.

An increasing number of people are realizing what crypto does and who benefits most. People in countries like El Salvador and many African nations who don’t have bank accounts can now receive currency, banking services, interest on financial assets….
 
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The government can’t destroy it. They can make it difficult to use, but the more they use heavy handed tactics, the more they illustrate the reason it exists in the first place.

They may not be able to destroy the claims to the coins, but they can make it almost impossible to use practically.

I do agree that CCs have awakened a huge number of people to the problems with fiat currencies, and that is undoubtedly a good thing.
 
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They may not be able to destroy the claims to the coins, but they can make it almost impossible to use practically.

I do agree that CCs have awakened a huge number of people to the problems with fiat currencies, and that is undoubtedly a good thing.

They can regulate the on/offramps, that's pretty much it
 
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They can regulate the on/offramps, that's pretty much it
…and how will they reap billions in cap gains taxes if nobody can cash out?