Any Hamilton fans?

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Huge fan of the brand myself. I have several. The best part about a company that's been around so long is that you can probably find something you like in every decade. I tend to focus on the electric era to late 60s/early 70s chronographs.
 
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Just put this little beauty on a new nato strap. The original SS bracelet looked sharp but was too small for me.

 
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Just put this little beauty on a new nato strap. The original SS bracelet looked sharp but was too small for me.

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these are mine Khaki Murph with 2X AR crystal
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1921 Railroad Grade
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these are mine Khaki Murph with 2X AR crystal
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1921 Railroad Grade
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I’d love to get myself a Murph but that size is just simply too big for me. Really wish they release a mid size version.
 
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This just arrived in the mail, my new-to-me 1924 Hamilton 912 gentlemen’s dress pocket watch. ::psy::



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One of 260,900 of these cal 912, size 12s movements made, this piece was sent to the Hamilton finishing department on Saturday, October 25, 1924

Fun Facts
  • Art Deco engraved dial
  • 14k gold filled case
  • 17 jewels
  • Adjusted mvmt
  • Blued steel hands that are too maddeningly shy to show on photos
  • Curious doctor’s logo inside the case back

Case back



Dust cover



The engine



I gave it four turns to the crown and set the time last night, and it ran keeping near-perfect time for 18 hours. Can I have a hell-yah!? Pretty exciting and excellent for a piece that turns 95 next month. There are three watchmaker’s service marks inside the case, so it has seen some attention over the years. I will get it serviced before next using it.

This is my first “real” pocket watch, and here is what I have learned:

When this watch was made circa 1924, thin was in. Pocket watches were then toward the end of a long swing in consumers’ size preferences. In the beginning there were huge 18-size full-plate pocket watches in beefy cases, and all was good. But then tastes changed to the smaller 16-size, and 18s never recovered their popularity. One assumes that this excludes railroad approved watches, that by regulation needed to be the larger size.

With the change in diameter came a change in thickness. Many companies—Gruen being foremost—used thinness as a selling point, and consumers responded. As noted above, this watch is a 12s size Hamilton 912, which reflects this trend in sizes. Intended for everyday users, rather than railroad workers, this watch is slim and compact.



The cal 912 was the "entry level" Hamilton dress pocket watch. It's a nice movement but they made so many of them that they're ubiquity is apparently not prized by collectors. On the bright side, there are had at lower prices and have lots of spare parts. For collecting purposes however, there are so many of them out there and so many different case, dial and hand options, that one could assemble an impressive collection if they really had an interest in doing so.

During the 1920s the folks at Hamilton replaced their 910 with the less elaborately finished and therefore less expensive to produce 912 which is also a thinner, more modern style movement. By that time Gruen had made marketing inroads with their "Veri-Thin" and a "thinner" movement was a better-selling movement, all the companies were pushing "thin" gentlemen's dress watches. That is also a big reason Hamilton eventually dropped all their 12-size and went to a 10-size movement for 1936 and subsequently. Part of that prevailing trend was the unfortunate evolution of the damaskeening to plain straight-line patterns.

If you are still awake, I do have some questions for the hive:
  • there is a matching serial number (738025) on the case back and dust cover that I cannot find online to validate. Do we know if the case is original to the watch?
  • There is a number on the edge of the case, directly next to the movement serial # (88625?) should this correspond to any other serials on this watch?
  • What is the engraving on the dial, wheat?
  • And the doctor’s logo, any ideas on the background there? If it belonged to a doctor I’d think the logo would be engraved on the back of the case, or maybe this was issued by a hospital or medical association?
Many thanks in advance 👍


Plagiarized sources 📖 include

http://www.hamiltonchronicles.com/2014/01/1933-912-pocket-watch-overhaul.html?m=1

https://adjustingvintagewatches.com/adjusting-hamilton-912-pocket-watch/

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forum...&f=1086047761&a=tpc&m=5073967957&s=3206049661

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/
 
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Okay, so here's my 1913 Hamilton pocket watch.


With a gold-filled case made by the Dueber Watch Case Company (20 year warranty). Serviced earlier this year, and last time I checked it was about -3 sec/day dial up.

17 jewel, 16 size, grade 978
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What is the engraving on the dial, wheat?
I'm thinking its a stylized medicinal herb, possibly Opium poppy bulbs and stalks, though there's another common medicinal herb with purple head who's name escapes me that it might be. The latter grow wild here.
 
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I'm thinking its a stylized medicinal herb, possibly Opium poppy bulbs and stalks, though there's another common medicinal herb with purple head who's name escapes me that it might be. The latter grow wild here.
OMG, that is hysterical! Thank you. Living in Vancouver, I don’t know how I missed that. It’s even on the Canadian flag



So, this can actually be a fascinating way to date a watch. Either I bought a stoner watch, or it was designed for a hemp farmer who found some success. Hemp of course being used industrially for ropes etc. US Federal law did not differentiate hemp from other cannabis plants, all of which were effectively made illegal in 1937 under the Marihuana Tax Act.
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Okay, so here's my 1913 Hamilton pocket watch.


With a gold-filled case made by the Dueber Watch Case Company (20 year warranty).
Nice looking piece! I really enjoy those decorated movements.

The 5, 10, 15 and 20 year (etc) guarantees of course referred to the thickness of the gold plating. The guarantee ratings were disallowed after a time because there was no way a company could actually guarantee the lifespan of the plating. Just like waterproof’s evolution to water resistant.
 
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I’d love to get myself a Murph but that size is just simply too big for me. Really wish they release a mid size version.

I almost sent the Murph back because the crystal reflected so badly then I contacted a guy I know who will AR any watch crystal it took him almost two months because he waits for a whole bunch to come in before he sends the crystals to the lab. Then the damn auto winding mechanism failed after owning it a couple months so I had to send it to Hamilton/swatch in Culver city under warranty . That took a month and a half. But its home now and I wear it a least a couple times a month as far as size on the wrist I see so many worry about that and yet I will wear this 34mm Benrus BULLITT at the drop of a hat
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...looks like Rod Serling was a fan. Saw this photo in a book at the library the other day, had to take a pic....
 
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OMG, that is hysterical! Thank you. Living in Vancouver, I don’t know how I missed that. It’s even on the Canadian flag



So, this can actually be a fascinating way to date a watch. Either I bought a stoner watch, or it was designed for a hemp farmer who found some success. Hemp of course being used industrially for ropes etc. US Federal law did not differentiate hemp from other cannabis plants, all of which were effectively made illegal in 1937 under the Marihuana Tax Act.

Very interesting; if this is engraved with cannabis plants (hemp is known as Cannabis ruderalis), hemp was not particularly used for medical purposes, as it didn't contain the active component delta-9-THC. And cannabis and hemp were restricted by the mid to late '20s in Canada, so doubt this came from the GWN.
The logo you see is a variation of a caduceus, which is often used inaccurately to indicate medical purposes, although it is actually attributed to Hermes and commerce. The rod of Asclepius (one snake, no wings) is more accurately a logo for a physician and is widely used by professional societies such as the AMA and CMA. Maybe a hemp distributor or other feed grain? Cool find!!
 
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...looks like Rod Serling was a fan. Saw this photo in a book at the library the other day, had to take a pic....

Yes he was. I'm a huge fan of Twilight Zone as well so have seen him wearing it often.

 
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This just arrived in the mail, my new-to-me 1924 Hamilton 912 gentlemen’s dress pocket watch. ::psy::



View attachment 841519

One of 260,900 of these cal 912, size 12s movements made, this piece was sent to the Hamilton finishing department on Saturday, October 25, 1924

Fun Facts
  • Art Deco engraved dial
  • 14k gold filled case
  • 17 jewels
  • Adjusted mvmt
  • Blued steel hands that are too maddeningly shy to show on photos
  • Curious doctor’s logo inside the case back

Case back



Dust cover



The engine



I gave it four turns to the crown and set the time last night, and it ran keeping near-perfect time for 18 hours. Can I have a hell-yah!? Pretty exciting and excellent for a piece that turns 95 next month. There are three watchmaker’s service marks inside the case, so it has seen some attention over the years. I will get it serviced before next using it.

This is my first “real” pocket watch, and here is what I have learned:

When this watch was made circa 1924, thin was in. Pocket watches were then toward the end of a long swing in consumers’ size preferences. In the beginning there were huge 18-size full-plate pocket watches in beefy cases, and all was good. But then tastes changed to the smaller 16-size, and 18s never recovered their popularity. One assumes that this excludes railroad approved watches, that by regulation needed to be the larger size.

With the change in diameter came a change in thickness. Many companies—Gruen being foremost—used thinness as a selling point, and consumers responded. As noted above, this watch is a 12s size Hamilton 912, which reflects this trend in sizes. Intended for everyday users, rather than railroad workers, this watch is slim and compact.



The cal 912 was the "entry level" Hamilton dress pocket watch. It's a nice movement but they made so many of them that they're ubiquity is apparently not prized by collectors. On the bright side, there are had at lower prices and have lots of spare parts. For collecting purposes however, there are so many of them out there and so many different case, dial and hand options, that one could assemble an impressive collection if they really had an interest in doing so.

During the 1920s the folks at Hamilton replaced their 910 with the less elaborately finished and therefore less expensive to produce 912 which is also a thinner, more modern style movement. By that time Gruen had made marketing inroads with their "Veri-Thin" and a "thinner" movement was a better-selling movement, all the companies were pushing "thin" gentlemen's dress watches. That is also a big reason Hamilton eventually dropped all their 12-size and went to a 10-size movement for 1936 and subsequently. Part of that prevailing trend was the unfortunate evolution of the damaskeening to plain straight-line patterns.

If you are still awake, I do have some questions for the hive:
  • there is a matching serial number (738025) on the case back and dust cover that I cannot find online to validate. Do we know if the case is original to the watch?
  • There is a number on the edge of the case, directly next to the movement serial # (88625?) should this correspond to any other serials on this watch?
  • What is the engraving on the dial, wheat?
  • And the doctor’s logo, any ideas on the background there? If it belonged to a doctor I’d think the logo would be engraved on the back of the case, or maybe this was issued by a hospital or medical association?
Many thanks in advance 👍


Plagiarized sources 📖 include

http://www.hamiltonchronicles.com/2014/01/1933-912-pocket-watch-overhaul.html?m=1

https://adjustingvintagewatches.com/adjusting-hamilton-912-pocket-watch/

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forum...&f=1086047761&a=tpc&m=5073967957&s=3206049661

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/

The serial number on the middle case next to the movement is 38025, not 88625. It matches the serial number on the back cover... i.e. 738025.

The caduceus imprint was a trademark of the Fahys Watch Case Co. and doesn't denote anything related to the medical profession. It was just a cool-looking symbol that Fahys used.

When the watch left the factory, the original paperwork included with the watch would have had the movement and case serial number on it. Usually this little certificate is long gone. I don't know if Hamilton kept a record at the factory of what movement went in which case. My guess is that your watch is all correct in that regard, though.
 
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This is my very first vintage watch. I purchased it in Torrance, CA. at E 50's Corporation in S. Western ave in early 2013. I liked it just by what the watch looked like. I knew nothing about vintage watches then.





 
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I can see why you love that, it’s beautiful. I hope to be so lucky to find something like that 🥰