Any guess at a date?

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Hello everyone,

I wonder if you'd be kind enough to give me the benefit of your expertise... (I'm a first-time poster on the forum but have read your guidelines, so hopefully I'm getting it right).

The pictured Omega was left to me by my uncle (I only took possession of it a few days ago). I had no idea that he had this watch, to be honest (he'd inherited himself and didn't like it, so had kept it in a drawer for the last 30 years). My aunty knows only that it used to belong to his father, who passed away in the early 1980s, I think.

This is what I can tell you: it's 37mm in diameter, so therefore must be one of the 'jumbo' Constellations; it still has its original buckle (but replacement Hirsch strap in 18mm, even though I think the lugs might be 19mm - can anyone confirm that?); it still has the Omega logo in the crystal, so that must be original too; it is keeping pretty much perfect time over the past three days (has gained just two seconds); there's no hacking, so setting the time is a bit of a fine art; there's no quick-set to the date; and lastly (sorry for the vagueness here but...) it feels heavier than it looks, if you know what I mean, which leads me to wonder whether it might be solid gold.

Okay, so that's the sum total of what I know. What I was hoping one of you guys might be able to take a guess at it what year it is (when did the jumbos start being made?) and what its approximate worth could be. This last would purely be for my info, as I intend never to part wit it. I utterly love the look, feel and size of it, and will be wearing it as often as i can.

Oh yes, and on that point... How careful do I need to be? As in, will it be affected if I were to splash it accidentally or get it wet in the rain, for example?

Thanks so much in advance for any light you're able to shed. And sorry for the newbie ramblings.

Cheers
 
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Why a guessing game ? If you want more information, it's always the same with Omega : 1) go to a Watchmaker and have him open the back. 2) write down the movement number and all numbers and writings inside the case back. Take good pictures from the inside. 3) with the case reference you search the Net and report back here. Then all other questions can be answered.....
 
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Why a guessing game ? If you want more information, it's always the same with Omega : 1) go to a Watchmaker and have him open the back. 2) write down the movement number and all numbers and writings inside the case back. Take good pictures from the inside. 3) with the case reference you search the Net and report back here. Then all other questions can be answered.....
Hi, yes I should have mentioned - I'm in a bit of a remote location (so far as watchmakers are concerned anyway), and with the pandemic etc, it'll be a while before I can go down that route, But yes, I can just wait til then. I just thought maybe one of you guys might know some of the answers off the top of your head, as it were. No worries, though. Thanks
 
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@Peemacgee what do you make of this one? UK production? The missing Officially Certified on a hidden crown Constellation is a bit weird...

@Samleq it is solid gold and IMO probably a UK production case. Are there any stamps on the back of the lugs? If it is a Swiss case, there should be two in total.
 
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Hi - thanks very much for the reply. There is just one stamp (on the bottom right lug).
 
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@Peemacgee what do you make of this one? UK production? The missing Officially Certified on a hidden crown Constellation is a bit weird...

@Samleq it is solid gold and IMO probably a UK production case. Are there any stamps on the back of the lugs? If it is a Swiss case, there should be two in total.

Welcome @Samleq

@ConElPueblo is right in saying that a 'missing text' dial is unusual in a 'hidden crown' Constellation but I'm certain that we have seen a 168.004 on OF previously with a missing text dial.

I think that he is also right in suggesting that it is a 'locally' made case but I think if I had to guess, due to the prominent surround to the observatory, I might suggest France rather than the UK.
Which country you are located in might give us a clue to its origin.
If you've been accurate in your measurements, the size is also a bit of a give away to it not being Swiss.
Hidden crown Connies (168.004 & 168.010) were only slightly larger than a standard Constellation at around 35mm and never reached 37mm.
These watches weren't 'jumbos', even though some sellers call them this. (Jumbos are a specific range of Constellations produced for the far-eastern market and have a different case style)
Either way, be it French or English, the case is of equal weight and quality to the Swiss produced cases

@watchyouwant is also correct in saying that all the info you require is inside the caseback and on the movement.

The indices on the dial are definitley long and slim compared to the usual Constellation dials (more like a Seamaster dial) but Omega did use different dial makers and I've no reason to suspect the font is incorrect.

So, if the dial is age correct (and not some kind of special) then your watch should date to around 1962/63

You can't trust the old Omega adverts but I did find this one from 1963, in AJTT, showing a hidden crown Connie with a missing text pie pan dial

hope that helps

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Hi - thanks very much for the reply. There is just one stamp (on the bottom right lug).

it's not an eagle's head by any chance is it?
 
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Welcome @Samleq

@ConElPueblo is right in saying that a 'missing text' dial is unusual in a 'hidden crown' Constellation but I'm certain that we have seen a 168.004 on OF previously with a missing text dial.

I think that he is also right in suggesting that it is a 'locally' made case but I think if I had to guess, due to the prominent surround to the observatory, I might suggest France rather than the UK.
Which country you are located in might give us a clue to its origin.
If you've been accurate in your measurements, the size is also a bit of a give away to it not being Swiss.
Hidden crown Connies (168.004 & 168.010) were only slightly larger than a standard Constellation at around 35mm and never reached 37mm.
These watches weren't 'jumbos', even though some sellers call them this. (Jumbos are a specific range of Constellations produced for the far-eastern market and have a different case style)
Either way, be it French or English, the case is of equal weight and quality to the Swiss produced cases

@watchyouwant is also correct in saying that all the info you require is inside the caseback and on the movement.

The indices on the dial are definitley long and slim compared to the usual Constellation dials (more like a Seamaster dial) but Omega did use different dial makers and I've no reason to suspect the font is incorrect.

So, if the dial is age correct (and not some kind of special) then your watch should date to around 1962/63

You can't trust the old Omega adverts but I did find this one from 1963, in AJTT, showing a hidden crown Connie with a missing text pie pan dial

hope that helps


Thanks so much for all this very helpful info. My measurements may not be 100%, as I don't have calipers, but as far as I can tell with a ruler, it's 37mm across the 9/3 axis, crown not included.

Again, taking poor equipment into account (using one of my kid's magnifying glasses, as opposed to a proper loupe!), the hallmark appears to be numbers or letters. Definitely not an eagle's head.

I live in the UK...
 
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I might have to revise my opinion, I thought that the French cases had the prominent indented surround to the observatory but I just had look at the Dennison essay on Desmond's site and the Dennison .004 lookalike had this type of caseback
http://omega-constellation-collecto...01/from-advent-of-bretton-woods-monetary.html

I suppose all will be revealed when @Samleq get the back off at some point.

Ha! Our messages crossed there. That's intriguing - but as you say, a definitive answer may have to wait until I can get it to a watchmaker. When I do, I will let you guys know what the outcome was.