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Advice sought for Longines 1951 Anniversay model

  1. snunez May 28, 2018

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    Hello all,

    Making my first Longines purchase from a local collector. I know little about Longines, and would appreciate some guidance from the experts. Specifically:

    Whether this is legit? As in: no redial or franken-watch.
    Is the asking price of USD $1100 reasonable?

    The dial looks in fantastic condition; a little too good of condition given that it is a 1951 model.

    Can any experts weigh in here

    Here are the photos:
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  2. knvqn May 28, 2018

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    It is a Longines ref 1241 - first time that I see it. A quick google search shows shows the exact watch identified as that ref with a cal 22A. It was advertised 1 year ago from a seller located in Singapore for $1,500. I personally believe it is either a redial or refinished dial.
     
  3. snunez May 28, 2018

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    Good (and fast!) research. The seller is in Singapore. I also looked for this anniversary edition and reference with Google, but did not find anything more than you did; that's why I came here for some expert advice.
     
  4. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 28, 2018

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    Here is some information on the watch:

    http://www.vintagewatchresources.com/detail.php?watch_id=98

    I believe the dial to be original. It may have been cleaned at one time. There seems to be an issue with the seconds hand that is causing damage to the sub-dial.

    I do not believe that the watch is worth what is being asked. However, this model is uncommon and it may be a long time until you see another.

    Hope this helps,
    gatorcpa
     
  5. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! May 28, 2018

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    I do not think that this is a reference 1241. That would be a very early reference number, likely from the early 1930's. More pertinently though, this is an American-made case, which should not have a Longines reference number associated with it.

    As for the dial, I agree with @gatorcpa, it does not look refinished. Better photos of the dial would be nice.
     
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  6. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 28, 2018

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    That is the case serial number, not a case reference number.

    The US importer, Longines-Wittnauer did not use case reference numbers except on some steel cased watches made in Switzerland.
    gatorcpa
     
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  7. snunez May 28, 2018

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    How did you guys know it was an American case to start with?
     
  8. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! May 28, 2018

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    Immediately below is an example of another American-made case. Following is a Swiss case from the same period. As you can see, the markings are quite different.
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  9. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado May 28, 2018

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    L & K stamped on the watch case stands for Lutringer & Kammerer, a watch case maker located in New York City
     
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  10. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 28, 2018

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    This hallmark:
    51CF5C62-25E8-477A-B76A-ED3CB1ADC0CB.jpeg

    See other explanations above.
    gatorcpa
     
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  11. ulackfocus May 28, 2018

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    The watch in question has an original dial, or the best redial ever on that reference. I've owned 3 of them (maybe 3 different US case makers were used for that style I think) and had one redialed because it was so water damaged.

    Each American case maker had a different number for these 14K cases, so there was no one specific reference number AFAIK.

    $1100 is a little high for that watch. For that money, I'd want a much better dial without the scuffing / scraping of the subdial finish.
     
  12. snunez May 29, 2018

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    Here is close up of the dial, which seems to confirm everyone's suspension of second-hand damage to the dial. A shame really, I like the reference.

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    Edited May 29, 2018