Advice on Speedmaster 105.012 66CB

Jorisvp · Dec 14, 2020

Hi all,

As you may have noticed earlier, I am looking for a pre-moon Speedmaster. Initially, I was focused my search on the 145.012 and 145.022. Yesterday, however, I was offered an 105.012 66CB. The seller bought the watch two years ago at a Jeweller store in The Netherlands. See the following link for images of the watch (website from the respective store): https://www.watchworkshaarlem.com/project/omega-speedmaster-105-012-66cb/

I am not really specialized in the 105.012 and find it difficult to asses this watch. Initially, I thought it was polished. But I am not sure anymore. I have added some recent photos as well.

I am curious whether you asses it as "good" / "very good" / "excellent". I value your opinions greatly in deciding the price for this watch. At this moment, the watch is asked above my budget, but maybe I can arrange something with the seller.

Jorisvp · Dec 14, 2020

NB: the link to the original advertisement also entails a (very positive) description of the watch.

pdxleaf · Dec 14, 2020

Link says sold

Jorisvp · Dec 14, 2020

Yes, the person who bought the watch from the Jeweller two years ago is offering it to me now.

pdxleaf · Dec 14, 2020

Ah. Real quick, I am on lunch break.

Looks polished to me, but not bad. Even if touched slightly it is still sharp. It might mean you can't brag "unpolished" but it is still a nice case, IMHO.

bezel looks real and nice.

Dial is not scratched or stained. Your pictures are a bit less dark than the link. Yours seem more true to life?

Lume on hands is different color but that seems normal. Lume always is tough for me. The lume on your dial looks good but is still slight lumpy around the steps, which could be from an earlier relume or just from aging. I don't know. The edges of the lume seem clean and not painted sloppily, if they even were.

Everyone here will bug you about a movement picture.

I started you off. I am sure you will get other input.

Best of luck. It might help if you say what is asking price and what you think is fair.

Jorisvp · Dec 14, 2020

Many thanks for interrupting your lunch break 😀 . Here in The Netherlands it is 10:10 pm already.

Unfortunately I have no picture of the movement yet. I have asked the seller for one.

The pictures I posted are the most recent ones which were sent to me by the seller directly. They are indeed slightly better than the ones in the link.

The seller is asking EUR 14.5k / USD 17,6k. I think EUR 11k / USD 13,4k is fair. But I am not sure about this, so that is why I am asking 😀 .

dennisthemenace · Dec 14, 2020

I think you will have a hard time finding a better one, regardless of the asking price.

Wlcutter · Dec 14, 2020

This seems between "Good" and "Very Good" to me. The hands seem entirely believable to me, and the dial's very good even with the slight lume loss at the edge of the 1 o'clock marker. The bezel is in excellent shape, and that bracelet/end links at least $2k by themselves.

Mark020 · Dec 14, 2020

Jorisvp
The seller is asking EUR 14.5k / USD 17,6k. I think EUR 11k / USD 13,4k is fair. But I am not sure about this, so that is why I am asking 😀 .

Don’t think the seller will take such a hit....

eugeneandresson · Dec 14, 2020

Facets are all there, but it looks like someone tried to freshen up the brushing (and maybe it’s also had a light polish). Which is a pity, as the brushing on these is very fine. That said, it’s not bad, and apart from the small bits of lume loss, it looks very nice. As said, will be hard to find better. And naturally a lot depends on the price. I think that price is a bit too optimistic given the touched case and lume missing. I would say the hands are original...the crown is not, and the pushers are correct, just not certain if they are old service replacements or original...my memory presently fails as to the necks...

Davidt · Dec 14, 2020

It looks very good to me. Pushers etc look original and the dial is lovely. Given the overall package and colouring I'd say the hands are likely original.

I too think the case has had a light refresh but it's still goood and better than most.

I do think the price is too high though. Perhaps not by as much as your thinking - more like €12k

Marsimaxam · Dec 14, 2020

A very nice example, great dial and bezel, facets are sharp and clearly visible at different angles, and I believe all the parts are original to the watch. I do believe the case has been lightly polished and the caseback logo is worn... but, I do like the facets.

Speedmaster101 price guide for the 105.012-66

Bezel ... good + Case good dial good + ( missing tritium at 1 o'clock). I feel I'm being conservative in my judgement.
15,000 14,000 15,000
Price for head = 14.3 USD 11,700Euro add bracelet 1,500 - 2k USD 1500 Euro
Total = 13 - 13.5 Euro

Example of an unpolished case... edges are razor sharp

zwjk · Dec 14, 2020

I am probably in the minority, but the missing lume at the 1 o'clock marker would really bug me especially if I was spending that amount of money.

Personally I would hold out for one with no missing lume. Then again, they are a dime a dozen.

The watch is still a very nice example regardless. All the best.

worldwidewes · Dec 14, 2020

It it weren't polished, I'd say it was excellent, but I think you have to reserve that for the truly amazing pieces, so I'd say this is very good. It's a really great piece though...and one I wish I could afford haha. If it's within your price range and the price is reasonable for its condition, I'd go for it. A little polishing is no big deal.

NotAClue · Dec 15, 2020

+1 for a very good piece. I don’t see to often better examples coming to the market. If the artist was James Hyman I wouldn’t mind having a bit of tritium added to 1 hour mark... but that’s up to you...

Passover · Dec 15, 2020

zwjk
I am probably in the minority, but the missing lume at the 1 o'clock marker would really bug me especially if I was spending that amount of money.

Personally I would hold out for one with no missing lume. Then again, they are a dime a dozen.

The watch is still a very nice example regardless. All the best.

I support this:

Also missing lume on the minute hand, price is too high IMO

Spacefruit · Dec 15, 2020

The seller bought it from a dealer.

A hit is to be expected.

Mark020
Don’t think the seller will take such a hit....

Concer · Dec 15, 2020

Its a stunning piece and if you are willing to pay this price (which is imho ok) then go for it!

I think a lot of people here forget again and again that some of these pieces are already over 50 years old. In 99% of the cases there are ALWAYS some small things to complain about with these pieces. The question is what really bothers you. And remember, the seemingly perfect pieces are usually touched up!

Personally, I would leave the watch exactly as it is. It bothers me that everything always has to be fixed. It's just no longer authentic. At some point (in 5-10) years there will only be this repaired crap and no more authentic pieces. It's a shame.

The only thing I would possibly do would be to fix the existing lume. Not more.

Great piece! Go for it, otherwise someone else will definitely do it.

wouter van wijk · Dec 15, 2020

I know the dealer and he is very reliable. great CB. its a good watch in the condition I really like. you can wear it and don't be afraid it get scratches.
and to me it looks like slightly hand polished or a bit polished by wear.

Marsimaxam · Dec 15, 2020

zwjk
I am probably in the minority, but the missing lume at the 1 o'clock marker would really bug me especially if I was spending that amount of money.

Personally I would hold out for one with no missing lume. Then again, they are a dime a dozen.

The watch is still a very nice example regardless. All the best.

Many of the 105.012-66’s I have seen have some deterioration of the lume, missing or discolored. It is in my opinion a very rare bird to find one with a perfect flawless dial, and definitely not a “ dime a dozen”.

We agree the price is a little high, but it is being sold by a private seller who bought from a dealer. All things considered it is a very nice example and buyer’s decision.

Advice on Speedmaster 105.012 66CB

Jorisvp

Jorisvp

pdxleaf

Jorisvp

pdxleaf

Jorisvp

dennisthemenace

Wlcutter

Mark020

eugeneandresson

Davidt

Marsimaxam

zwjk

worldwidewes

NotAClue

Passover

Spacefruit

Concer

wouter van wijk

Marsimaxam

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