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Hi All,

I'm new to collecting vintage Omegas so I was hoping to get an education/help from members of the forum. I know a seller that has several vintage Omegas and I'll start a thread for each one I am potentially interested in. This is the seventh one. Attached are some pics that are available and below is the information the seller has provided. Does this raise any red flags for anyone? And if this seems legit, what would be a fair price to offer (please be sincere in this feedback - I want to offer the seller a realistic price but one that is not unfair to me). Thanks!

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Omega case 18K gold casting, automatic, manufactured in Switzerland around 1944.
  • v Germany 18K, still very new compared to the old (still the class of grooving outer shell, 4 ears and the back cover), inside casing seal gold, serial number and brand Omega;
  • Caliber 28.10 RA PC - version automatically first Omega, serial machine 10 million, produced around 1944 , the mechanism is very new and clean;
  • The original ivory- white dial is very beautiful, has begun to tinged with time but without any blemishes (the speck on the post was due to light effects ), the floating golden numerals are combined with the outer hour-minute division and the sub-gear at 6 o'clock are very classic;
  • of metal, glass and crown (very nicely) original 100%
The watch has a beautiful appearance and is still very new after nearly 7 decades of timekeeping (pictures do not reflect the natural beauty of the watch ), original and 100% authentic (not
Omega28-10RA SC PC-movL.jpg Omega28-10RA SC PC-backcaseL.jpg Omega28-6aL.jpg Omega28-3L.jpg Omega28-2L.jpg
including strap and buckle), running steadily and on time, has a very high collection and use value.
 
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That doesn't look like the original dial printing to me so, it will be interesting to see other comments.

You've posted lots of threads about very different watches in a very short time. Which one do you prefer? What do you think of the descriptions you've been given? If you look around for other examples of these watches, you'll be able to estimate a price for each one. It would be best to say what you think and what your estimate is because that way people will be more inclined to help rather than starting from nothing.

Good luck, Chris
 
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Which one do you prefer
Makes me wonder...

Anyway: I vote redial as well
 
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Honestly, the scripts are not up to factory standards.
Plus, the index at 7 seems to be squint - suggesting that indices have been taken out, dial reprinted, indices positioned in place,
 
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Hi,

Looks like a redial to me. But pics with a better resolution would be useful.

Cheers,
François
 
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Thanks all! This is very very helpful. The one I'm most interested in is the 560 with the clearback case.
 
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Thanks all! This is very very helpful. The one I'm most interested in is the 560 with the clearback case.
This one?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ome...ell-cal-560-with-transparent-caseback.125356/

To me, it's a 14k De Ville with an odd back. I don't know if anyone collects these but the back wouldn't add a premium for me and there is no gold value in a plastic back. I doubt this will be water resistant so, it's something more to look at than to wear. Bear in mind you'll hardly ever see the back.

You should ask the seller, "what does the watch owe you?", if they are not giving you a price. Have a look around on the sales forum here for 14k De Villes and compare to those for a price. Knock off a few hundred if the watch isn't serviced.

Cheers, Chris
 
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Thanks. Yes, that one. And thanks for the advice! Good feedback.
 
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Sorry guys to contradict - IMHO this is a factory original dial on a perfectly preserved watch. I would go for it in a whim if the price was right.
 
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Sorry guys to contradict - IMHO this is a factory original dial on a perfectly preserved watch. I would go for it in a whim if the price was right.

Hi Erich,

Yes, could be! The case and the movement are indeed in excellent condition. I would like better pics to check the small second ring because it looks weird in the pictures we have at the moment. The scrips looks also a bit blurry, maybe because of the crystal plus the pics.

Cheers,
François
 
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Sorry guys to contradict - IMHO this is a factory original dial on a perfectly preserved watch. I would go for it in a whim if the price was right.
Agree, good eye! 👍
 
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I am sure that several of you will question my assessment, hence I want to explain my verdict:

The dial is done in two-tone with a very narrow minute track which has a different graining direction.

Also some 30 mm chronometres have such delicate minute tracks. I have tried several dial restorers and asked them to restore dials with such narrow (thin) minute tracks in two-tone - all of them failed. If you know or find a dial restorer who is able to do this minute track correctly and so perfectly executed as on the OP´s watch please let me know. I would like to send him some "mission impossible" dials...

So when I see a dial with such perfect two-tone (extra narrow) minute track like this I am forced to assess it as factory original.

And its not only the dial - the movement looks fine (have a look at the screw slots!) and the case does not look overly polished. The whole package looks consistent. For me this is a perfectly fine and collectable timepiece.
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This one?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ome...ell-cal-560-with-transparent-caseback.125356/

To me, it's a 14k De Ville with an odd back. I don't know if anyone collects these but the back wouldn't add a premium for me and there is no gold value in a plastic back. I doubt this will be water resistant so, it's something more to look at than to wear. Bear in mind you'll hardly ever see the back.

You should ask the seller, "what does the watch owe you?", if they are not giving you a price. Have a look around on the sales forum here for 14k De Villes and compare to those for a price. Knock off a few hundred if the watch isn't serviced.

Cheers, Chris
The seller is asking $3200 for the clear back model. Seems too high a price. Thoughts?
 
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The seller is asking $3200 for the clear back model. Seems too high a price. Thoughts?
Yes, absolutely!
 
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I am sure that several of you will question my assessment, hence I want to explain my verdict:

The dial is done in two-tone with a very narrow minute track which has a different graining direction.

Also some 30 mm chronometres have such delicate minute tracks. I have tried several dial restorers and asked them to restore dials with such narrow (thin) minute tracks in two-tone - all of them failed. If you know or find a dial restorer who is able to do this minute track correctly and so perfectly executed as on the OP´s watch please let me know. I would like to send him some "mission impossible" dials...

So when I see a dial with such perfect two-tone (extra narrow) minute track like this I am forced to assess it as factory original.

And its not only the dial - the movement looks fine (have a look at the screw slots!) and the case does not look overly polished. The whole package looks consistent. For me this is a perfectly fine and collectable timepiece.

This seems a very good point to me. I thought as well that the overall dial looks good and that is was consistant with the condition of the case. Although I tended to think it could be a redial because of the Omega script (not the script itself but the "blurry" aspect of the print) and the subsecond ring. But it could be because of the cristal and the pic.

Concernint the price, we will all agree: much too expansive!
 
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