Advice on 3 vintage Chronos from 40's : Angelus, Eterna & Tavanes

Dan S

I think the issue previously raised by @Oku about the lume on the dial, but not the hands, is a concern. The hands are apparently not original.

Dan S

If you are responding to my post, you misunderstood me. The dial is original, but the hands are replacements. They should have lume, since the dial has lume. Please read my post again, as well as the previous posts by @Oku.

Dan S

Interesting. Like having two mismatched pairs of socks.

Dan S

Can’t see very well in those photos, but those are in-house Angelus movements I believe. Probably cal 217.

Dan S

Valjoux 72c would have nine pillars on the column wheel.

durri70

3.000€ I find it expensive IMO

durri70

The one with radium hands is not complete , missing some pieces on the caliber but has case, dial and hands . Hands I can exchange as he doesn’t know that has wrong hands on the build watch. Now I need to see if I can find the missing pieces on the caliber. Which dial you like more ?

durri70

I don’t see Angelus printed on the caliber :-(
I thought may be was Valjoux 72?

Oku

Imho, for one watch, it's too expensive. Or is the price for both watches? But even then, it is not a bargain.
The lumed watch has a good dial but bad hands, the other one a beaten dial with good hands. I think that is why hands and dial where exchanged between the watches.


Missing some pieces is an euphemism. Lumed dial is better, but hands seem to need a relume and seconds hand is a bit crumpled.


As @Dan S said, Angelus made their own movements. From time to time you can find complete movements in ebay, but usually they won't be cheap.

durri70

Price is for one watch only , the other one is a different price . It’s a complicate situation and expensive too. Thanks

cristos71

As has been noted the Angelus is the best of the bunch but does have incorrect hands. I think the the price as is should be more around €2K as it does have a decent steel case and reasonably attractive ( as far as I can tell ) dial.

The correct hands would be the lumed syringe hands that appear to have been mixed up, be it intentionally or not I wouldn't even consider buying it without these syringe hands.

Here's mine ( not a perfect example by any means ) for which I paid quite a bit under €3K two years ago.

ConElPueblo

If you are still considering the Angelus, please have the radiation measured by a geiger counter. I find it remarkable that all three watches have pristine dials (one an obvious redial) even when two of them are non-waterproof chronographs. To my mind, this is a clear indication that the dials have been cleaned at some point. If the watchmaker was canny, he used radium-laden paint for the indices on the Angelus, but he may not have. The lume would almost certainly had been washed off by the cleaning.