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advice need for legit check 1675 or 16750

  1. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    Hello expert ,

    I've been looking to buy a GMT 16750 or 1675 for my first vintage Rolex , I found 2 watch listed on chrono24 by “ The keystone watch company “ , and HQmilton site .

    https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/gmt-master-stainless-steel-pepsi-ref-16750--id14619495.htm

    https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces...aster-1675-matte-dial-with-pepsi-insert-A3359

    Could you advice whether these two watch are all original to the watch or perhaps service replacement for dial , bezel , hands marker .

    I have no idea which is the best deal as price are few hundred bucks different.

    I'm novice and I appreciate your help .

    cheers
     
  2. timecube Apr 1, 2020

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    It's tough to evaluate those watches without seeing them.
    Could you post the pictures on here rather than just links to the for-sale sites?
     
  3. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    True . here are the pictures. for 1675 from HQmilton
     
    1675 10.jpg 1675 9.jpg 1675 8.jpg 1675 7.jpg 1675 6.jpg 1675 5.jpg 1675 4.jpg 1675 3.jpg 1675 2.jpg
  4. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    here are the pictures for 16750 from thekeystone watch company
     
    16750 6.jpg 16750 5.jpg 16750 3.jpg 16750 2.jpg 16750 1.jpg
  5. killer67 Apr 1, 2020

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    Pictures aren’t great but both appear correct (top one has a later bracelet, bottom one has service insert and bracelet serial is not known). If the budget allows I would hold out for a better case. Corona tells me the prices won’t be going up and time is on your side
     
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  6. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    I had the a same thought :) corona made the world crazy .

    Top one stated " Excellent 78360 Oyster bracelet with 12 links, 580 end links and P1 date stamp".
    Bottom one serial 78360 , endlink 580 as well.
     
  7. sdre Apr 1, 2020

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    thought the case on the hqmilton one is nice.
     
  8. killer67 Apr 1, 2020

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    Yes - the 1675 bracelet is from Jan 1991 which is much later than the watch production date
    the 16750 does not specify bracelet

    There are other watches available with a less molested case that may be slightly more but they may not be priced higher for long. Best advice is don’t rush and get the cheapest one you can find and ask questions
     
  9. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    I absolutely agree.:thumbsup:
     
  10. FloRolex Apr 1, 2020

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    first choose between a 1675 and a 16750.
    they are not the same watches.
    personally I chose the 16750 because I am a lazy ...
    I have enough of my 1680 to put on the right date :D
    then is the patina important for you?
    This 1675 is withe.
    16750 are often more orange.
    not always.
    the rule is to take your time and be well informed before.
    I'll take the time to look at your photos when I have a moment.
    to wait, my 16750 ;)

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  11. djmusicman Apr 1, 2020

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    Forget about the keystone watch. The insert doesn't look naturally aged and it's a service part anyway. The hands are unattractive. The bottom right lug looks especially polished but maybe it's just the photo.

    The HQ Milton seems to have a nice case. The insert would have been really nice if it wasn't for the scratches between 2 and 4. Collectors tend to prefer a bit of patina on the index plots because that's what really gives the watch a vintage look.

    I'd keep looking. Chrono24 is good for the quantity of watches on offer but real quality is lacking.
     
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  12. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    love patina always . couple of 1675 from internet info in eggshell color instead of orange or yellow like yours.
    You have stunning watch . I wish to have one :)
     
  13. maxc331 Apr 1, 2020

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    Thanks for your advice , Impossible to spot without trained eye like you guy . :) good platform to learn from here .:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  14. maxc331 Apr 5, 2020

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    Hello expert ,

    I have skipped the purchase for above watch. :)

    I got an offer from a local private seller not long ago. I was wondering whether this is a great watch consider to buy? Bracelet could be the later replacement In my opinion. I’m Seeking for your advice :)

    Sorry about the pictures posted aren’t clear as this is what the seller provided .


    Seller description

    ** 1977 year

    ** Serial number 515XXXX

    ** Correct MK 2 dial , correct insert

    ** Great condition case . Sharp bevels

    ** 78360 Bracelet , end link 501B

    Asking price 11500

    I'd keep looking if this is not a good buy .

    Best
     
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  15. wjgesq Apr 5, 2020

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    Get the GMT II. Far superior.
     
  16. Dan S Apr 5, 2020

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  17. ATWG Apr 5, 2020

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    Additionally, and more importantly in terms of valuation, the dial does not match the serial. This watch should have and MK5.

    and the insert looks suspect to me.
     
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  18. maxc331 Apr 5, 2020

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    There is possibility MK 2 dial with low 5 million serial ?
    https://gmtmaster1675.com/mark-2/
     
  19. ATWG Apr 5, 2020

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    Not possible, have handled hundreds never seen one that late.
     
  20. Dan S Apr 5, 2020

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    I have always been skeptical about the Mk2 5M serial watches, but they are discussed here in case anyone is interested:
    https://gmtmaster1675.com/mark-2/

    The buyer needs to do his research and decide for himself what his comfort level is with the originality of this. Alex is experienced and is obviously not a believer. I'm not really comfortable with it either. I would run a search on rolexforums and see if this issue has been discussed. Here is one thread:
    https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=623730

    The insert is clearly a later blue-back, but the cost of a replacement may be priced-in if you decide that you are ok with the dial and case combo. Depends on the currency of the 11.5k, since we don't know if that's USD, Euros, or GBP.
     
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