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  1. Canuck Nov 16, 2018

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    Who knew?



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  2. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Nov 16, 2018

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    I did.. but the definition of space is up to debate civilian x15 pilots like... Niel Armstrong did not get space flight credit for decades while the USAF pilots did because the USAF has a different definition of space then the rest of the world.

    Cool watches though.
     
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  3. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Nov 16, 2018

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    @Canuck
    The hands on the Accutron in the video are wrong... X-15 test pilots got the version shown in the photo You posted...
    The X-15 hypersonic program was very interesting & fascinating to say the least and also saw the first Rolex in space as William Pete Knight passed 85 kilometers altitude (50 miles) which was consider space to obtain USAF wings... wearing his Rolex GMT
    ( Officially the FAI considers the Jarman line at 100 kilometers altitude the boundary of space)

    @Foo2rama
    Neil Armstrong made a total of 7 flights in the X-15 before joining the 2nd group of the NASA astronauts corps in 1962
    During these test flights he never flew above 50 miles ( Highest altitude for Armstrong was 63 kilometers )

    For those interested ... More photos & info at : https://wristwatchlover.tumblr.com/archive

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  4. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Nov 16, 2018

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    13 flights by eight pilots met the Air Force spaceflight criterion by exceeding the altitude of 50 miles (80 km), thus qualifying these pilots as being astronauts. The Air Force pilots qualified for astronaut wings immediately, while the civilian pilots were eventually awarded NASA astronaut wings in 2005, 35 years after the last X-15 flight. The only Navy pilot in the X-15 program never took the aircraft above the requisite 50 mile (80 km) altitude and thus never earned astronaut wings

    I thought Neil had the hieght. There is still the question “is that space?”
     
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  5. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Nov 16, 2018

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    The X-15 program ended 50 years ago (October 1968) as the 200th flight was cancelled... great the story still gets told from time-to-time !
     
  6. Waltesefalcon Nov 16, 2018

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    Even after the Astronaut lost out to the Speedmaster during the Gemini trials Apollo used Accutrons for the clocks onboard the Command Modules.
     
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  7. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Nov 16, 2018

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    Of course ... Veteran astronaut David Scott even requested a personal mechanical Bulova chronograph and a Bulova stopwatch he took & used aboard the Apollo 15 mission in August 1971. Both of these time pieces have been auctioned since...
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  8. connieseamaster Nov 16, 2018

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    IIRC, Omar Bradley was the chairman of Bulova through the early space era, which probably helped Bulova's position
     
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  9. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Nov 17, 2018

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    American instruments in US built spacecraft...
     
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  10. connieseamaster Nov 17, 2018

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    It's not like "Buy America" was a thing yet, and arguably Hamilton was more skilled at navigating military contracts and procurement (H21/H22/etc).
     
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  11. Canuck Nov 17, 2018

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    But if NASA had chosen Hamilton Electric watches,...................! I don’t want to think about it.
     
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  12. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Nov 18, 2018

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    @Canuck
    Last such Bulova watch to flew in space was an Accutron "Astronaut" tuning fork watch at the wrist of astronaut/physician Norman Thagard aboard space shuttle Challenger missions STS-7 in June 1983...
    Exactly as Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper did in May 1963( Speedmaster on left wrist, Accutron on the right wrist )
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  13. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Feb 10, 2019

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    After an e-mail on the subject of the Bulova worn by the first astronauts/test-pilots I'm coming back with a few details taken from official NASA photos, showing exactly which Accutron Astronaut tuning fork wrist watch astronaut Leroy "Gordo" Cooper was wearing...
    It was clearly a two line dial version ( Accutron Astronaut ) with thin pointy hands and the characteristic 24-hours bezel... on a steel mesh bracelet ( Komfit-Forstner, later Jacoby Bender Champion )
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  14. bobbee Feb 11, 2019

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    Here are the first steel Accutron Astronaut ads from 1962. They show pear hands, and if you zoom in they are skeleton pear hands. The dial says only 'Accutron' and has no 'pips' between the hour markers like later models.


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    Here is a made up example, that was sold as genuine back in 2016. The buyer took it apart and found the dial was fake, and the hands were blued railroad hands that had been painted, instead of plain steel.


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  15. Uscjake87 Feb 24, 2019

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    There are other early variations of the 1962 astro dial. I picked this one up recently.
     
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  16. ac106 Feb 25, 2019

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    I can't be 100% sure of the details but I think I remember this watch on the Watchtalk Accutron forum. A banned member "accutronitis" put it together and then later claimed it was original. I think the original thread was deleted or edited because I couldn't find it at the time but I clearly remember him acquiring the dial separately. Could totally be a different guy with this watch however.
     
  17. bobbee Feb 26, 2019

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    Regarding the dial, other vintage examples have been seen with just 'ACCUTRON' below 12 o'clock. The only trouble is, all of them had lumed hour markers.
    Here are a few examples.



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    The faked example uses one of this type, but with the radium lume removed to expose the white markers beneath.
    See this close-up of the 'faked' dial, where the discoloration caused by the radium has left a slight yellowing to the markers, with a lighter edging.



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    Note also in the above photo from the owners photobucket account how the dial is ill-fitting, and has slipped out from beneath the rehaut despite a brass spacer having been fitted.

    Regards, Bob.
     
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  18. bobbee Feb 27, 2019

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    This is in really good condition. I have seen a couple of these before, but I would say still pretty rare.
     
  19. bobbee Feb 27, 2019

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    Why do you feel the need to keep bashing me? What did I ever do to you?
     
  20. Canuck Feb 27, 2019

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    Perhaps because every time you stir the merde, it stinks. Use Google translations if you must.
     
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