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Hello everyone.

I'm currently restoring a 535.007. I love this watch.

But I can't find a movement holder for the caliber 630 that will secure it in the case. Do you happen to know the part number or have any idea where I could find this part? I'd like to avoid using a plastic holder…

I'd also like to know the part number for the hands for this watch. I don't know how to find it. Is there a list with these part numbers?

Thank you for your help!
 
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I’ll move this one to the watchmaking topic, not a whole lot of Cal 630s around these parts though
 
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630 is the sweep version of the ever ubiquitous 620. Some of the parts are interchangeable. Most likely any 18mm movement holder will work. I use the Bergeon 4039 movement holder.

The 670 and 680 ladymatics are also of similar size. As far as I have experience, the dials and hands are interchangeable.

Not sure why the 630 is so rare? Would love to find more myself as this is a good three hand movement. I think the 630 is usually found in the dynamic style case like the 535.015.

Later production used 625 for dress and 635 for sweep. Those are not as nicely made.
 
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Thanks a lot for your response.
I don't know why 630 is so rare. If you need, i have one, he's ok but need revision. It stops after 1 minutes.

Here you have the part I'm looking for. I write on the picture...


 
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07906200C | ENLARGMENT RING​

 
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07906200C | ENLARGMENT RING​

Thanks a lot!!! it will help me.
How do you do, where can I find references?
 
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The arrow looks to point to a movement retainer. My guess such a ring will be next to impossible to find. -- I see while writing this @Archer posted the ref. Omega does not sell parts to US watchmakers anymore (@Archer is in Canada.) so there are no longer any independent Omega watchmakers who are competent in the US. Especially in places like the SF Bay area where I have yet to find one I could trust with my speedmaster. So one has to find another watch to scrap or get lucky with an estate auction on eBay. And the competition is fierce --

There is a trend to think that something rare is special and valuable. In practice rarity is more like a white elephant. To special to use as a work beast, too expensive to feed.

The best one can do with the incomplete case and movement is to list it for a low amount on ebay say 0.99 with no reserve. The parts will sell for close to if not a bit above the market value.

I personally would not bid more than 150 for such a watch. I used to get them for 65 to 78 or so. There just is no a market for Ladies watches. I have more than I can use or work with. Economics and budget dictate that one is better off using funds to acquire parts for the more popular 55x. 60x and the 330 bumper along with the older 30 Tx calibers.

It also may work that separating the case and movement could bring in a bit more. The sweep wheels are fragile. Especially the spring which if bent will cause the sweep pinion to come loose. The third wheel snaps off easy.

If the dial and hands are good. They can fetch in a separate auction as much as the movement or case.

The other option would be to have the retaining ring made. It does not need to be base metal. Delryn or Acrylic would suffice and are easy to turn. It could also be 3D printed. The watch would not be salable, would be usable. Servicing the movement would cost more than the watch if complete.
 
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Omega does not sell parts to US watchmakers anymore (@Archer is in Canada.) so there are no longer any independent Omega watchmakers who are competent in the US.
Please stop spreading misinformation. Omega still sells parts to independent watchmakers who are certified by Omega in the US.
 
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Thanks a lot!!! it will help me.
How do you do, where can I find references?
As an Omega certified watchmaker I have access to information that the general public does not, so I found this information on the Omega Extranet - any certified watchmaker will have access to this information.

Do you know where I can find it?
Not on the open market, and honestly it's not likely a part you are going to find easily. I don't know where you are located but if you can find a certified watchmaker in your area, they can order the part from Omega and install it for you - it is still available.
 
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Omega still sells parts to independent watchmakers who are certified by Omega in the US.
Then name names. Especially if there is one in the San Francisco bay area.

I have yet to see a list of independant watchmakers who are anywhere close to what I see in the UK or Canada. Even Austrailia.

(I thought we agreed to disagree. You won the lottery I did not.)
 
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Then name names. Especially if there is one in the San Francisco bay area.

I have yet to see a list of independant watchmakers who are anywhere close to what I see in the UK or Canada. Even Austrailia.

(I thought we agreed to disagree. You won the lottery I did not.)
It's not my obligation to prove or disprove your claims. Call Omega and ask them yourself if you want to find someone that is certified. Or just search on the AWCI database, which would take all of 3 seconds. Certainly not all Omega certified watchmakers are AWCI members (the organization has made itself obsolete and only a fraction of US watchmakers are members) but there's likely some listed there who are Omega certified.

With regards to this continued claim you make about me winning some lottery that you didn't, if you want to keep playing the victim from something you claim happened years ago, you go right ahead, but let's be clear that whatever issue you had/have has nothing to do with me. You keep saying that I had some incredible luck, but I wanted this as a profession badly enough that I found a way, even though it wasn't the traditional or the easy way.

You have already stated that you wanted formal watchmaking training to be a hobbyist and they wanted people who were going to be full time watchmakers. You didn't fit the criteria by your own admission, and would have taken a spot that they needed to train a full time watchmaker. I don't see that you really have anything to complain about, but that's just my opinion.
 
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Then name names. Especially if there is one in the San Francisco bay area.

I have yet to see a list of independant watchmakers who are anywhere close to what I see in the UK or Canada. Even Austrailia.

(I thought we agreed to disagree. You won the lottery I did not.)
FWIW, my watchmaker (art of the watch in Portland) was able to get spare parts for both Omega and Rolex from Omega/Rolex, as he's certified by both.
 
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if you want to keep playing the victim
Never felt like I was a victim. But that is all water under a bridge.

I am a hobby repairer. I do this for entertainment. All I want is to encourage others and inspire them to not be afraid to try something difficult.

This has gone, as it often does way off topic.

It is my OPINION that there are no trusted, competent watchmakers left in the US that have an omega parts account. Or at least in the San Francisco bay area. There are three or so within 30 miles of me what can do pretty good work.

Yes I have heard rumors of certified watchmakers in the pacific northwest. I have seen no real reviews or followups that do not come across as forced.
 
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Never felt like I was a victim. But that is all water under a bridge.

I am a hobby repairer. I do this for entertainment. All I want is to encourage others and inspire them to not be afraid to try something difficult.

This has gone, as it often does way off topic.

It is my OPINION that there are no trusted, competent watchmakers left in the US that have an omega parts account. Or at least in the San Francisco bay area. There are three or so within 30 miles of me what can do pretty good work.

Yes I have heard rumors of certified watchmakers in the pacific northwest. I have seen no real reviews or followups that do not come across as forced.
Kelly @ Art of the Watch is world class. Somewhat frustrating to get in touch with/communicate with sometimes, otherwise his work fantastic.
 
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As an Omega certified watchmaker I have access to information that the general public does not, so I found this information on the Omega Extranet - any certified watchmaker will have access to this information.


Not on the open market, and honestly it's not likely a part you are going to find easily. I don't know where you are located but if you can find a certified watchmaker in your area, they can order the part from Omega and install it for you - it is still available.
Ok thanks a lot. The response is very clear and for me very important. It's my beginning in oméga watch. I love only these. I'm in france, so maybe here it's possible. If you have, I will buy it! thanks for all!!!
 
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Never felt like I was a victim. But that is all water under a bridge.
Well, not sure why you keep bringing it up then.

This has gone, as it often does way off topic.
If you take a look at the thread, the first comments that brought it off topic were yours.

It is my OPINION that there are no trusted, competent watchmakers left in the US that have an omega parts account.
Goal post shift duly noted.

Yes I have heard rumors of certified watchmakers in the pacific northwest. I have seen no real reviews or followups that do not come across as forced.
So we have gone from a claim you made that Omega no longer sells parts to US watchmakers, to you now saying that the watchmakers that you apparently now accept do have parts access, are somehow all not competent or trustworthy, even though you only know of them by rumour?

This is of course just my opinion, but you appear to hold some animosity towards watchmakers who did get certified, maybe because of your own past issues with the industry. You condemn watchmakers who have gone through the process without even knowing who they are or what their work is like. People who have gotten the right education, the right level of experience, have a properly equipped shop, and who went to Omega for training and passed it, but despite all that you don't consider any of them competent or trustworthy...
 
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Well, not sure why you keep bringing it up then.
I did not.

I have animosity over those who are not inclusive. Who feel superior over others. Since you bring it up (I was going to let it rest) I find your quote

by your own admission, and would have taken a spot that they needed to train a full time watchmaker.
To be really offensive and insulting. This is putting words on my keyboard I did not type or feel represent what I am stating here. This is the same rhetoric what is really damaging society that some people are better than others. I was taught otherwise.

I think we both want to encourage others to take up this rewarding passion.

The simple fact remains, Parts are not readily available in the US. Those who have access to them by signing a loyalty oath to a foreign corporation I do not find trustworthy.

If a watchmaker is frustrating to contact, Then no, I do not feel that they are either competent or trustworthy.
 
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If a watchmaker is frustrating to contact, Then no, I do not feel that they are either competent or trustworthy.
IF this is how you feel, you'll be very disappointed in basically EVERY watchmaker. "Poor communication" seems to be the rule in the industry for any 1-man shop. Kelly only responds to email 1 day a week, and doesn't seem to get through all his messages every week, so you end up waiting a while. That said, he seems to be one of the better ones in this regard.

As far as parts-accounts: It IS pretty frustrating that the major companies have moved towards not making parts available to the general public, though I understand it. Quite a few manufacturers were enabling super-fakes or scam watches (via 'service dials' that didn't match their watches). So those folks, trying to make fake watches with some real parts or trying to make a more-expensive looking watch out of parts are the real ones to blame. Thats why we can't have nice things.
 
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I did not.
Well, I certainly didn’t bring up the issue of my apparent lottery win, and your apparent loss.
If you go back and look I think who did is pretty clear.

To be really offensive and insulting. This is putting words on my keyboard I did not type or feel represent what I am stating here.
You stated that in another thread where you went on the same “lottery” winner topic. You said WOSTEP wouldn’t take you because they wanted to train full time watchmakers, and you wanted this for your own entertainment. I’m just repeating what you have already said.

I think we both want to encourage others to take up this rewarding passion.
Absolutely. It’s why I spend the time I do here to help people.

The simple fact remains, Parts are not readily available in the US. Those who have access to them by signing a loyalty oath to a foreign corporation I do not find trustworthy.
As I’ve said many times before, I’m all for the free distribution of parts, but that just isn’t reality. I have chosen to work directly with Omega even when parts were widely available without an account, because it allows me to better serve my customers. I get access to all technical documentation, training, parts, and tools. In turn they supply me with what I need, and otherwise leave me alone. I’m not sure what your imagination has dreamt up in terms of “loyalty oaths” but as long as I don’t abuse my access there’s no problem.

Remember this “foreign corporation” is one that we all support with our dollars when we buy their products. Even buying vintage watches indirectly supports them.

If a watchmaker is frustrating to contact, Then no, I do not feel that they are either competent or trustworthy.
I have no idea what you are referring to. Have you tried contacting these rumoured watchmakers you spoke of before, but they didn’t respond? If so, then that’s certainly not a good way to run a business.

As I’ve said clearly many times, Omega lets independent watchmakers be independent, something that would appear to contradict your imagined control they have over all of us. Watchmakers are free to run their business as they see fit, and sometimes that means they don’t do a great job on the business side of things. Why you are trying to tie this to them being certified by Omega or anyone else, well only you know that…

In the end, Omega still sells parts to certified independent watchmakers. That’s not as ideal as selling to everyone, but certainly a great deal more than most watch companies and large conglomerates do.