A beautiful interaction between my girlfiend and a Rolex wearer

Rasputin · Apr 9, 2017

As was eluded to earlier, we can never assume why a certain individual whom we don't personally know wears a particular watch. However, humans by nature are judgmental to varying degrees on subjects they're passionate about. The key is recognizing when to keep your judgments to yourself.

ffej4 · Apr 9, 2017

Rasputin
As was eluded to earlier, we can never assume why a certain individual whom we don't personally know wears a particular watch. However, humans by nature are judgmental to varying degrees on subjects they're passionate about. The key is recognizing when to keep your judgments to yourself.

I understand that. And I drew no judgements such as, "that guy is a total twit," or "that guy is a douche in all aspects of life." I thought that a watch-enthusiast forum might find humor in someone wearing a $6,000 watch, but at the same time knows very little to nothing about watches, in particular the type he had strapped to his wrist. As a matter of fact, other than making the (likely correct) judgement that the dude knows little to nothing about watches, I'm unaware of any other judgements that I made in the process. Again, I'm sorry this led to some people's feeling getting shaken, but I think we are beginning to take it a little bit too far.

I'm not disparaging all Rolex owners or even the original individual on which this thread was focused––as I said, the Sub is an excellent watch, and I would absolutely agree that Rolex is an excellent brand. I just found humor in the situation.

Nobel Prize · Apr 9, 2017

ffej4
I understand that. And I drew no judgements such as, "that guy is a total twit," or "that guy is a douche in all aspects of life." I thought that a watch-enthusiast forum might find humor in someone wearing a $6,000 watch, but at the same time knows very little to nothing about watches, in particular the type he had strapped to his wrist. As a matter of fact, other than making the (likely correct) judgement that the dude knows little to nothing about watches, I'm unaware of any other judgements that I made in the process. Again, I'm sorry this led to some people's feeling getting shaken, but I think we are beginning to take it a little bit too far.

I'm not disparaging all Rolex owners or even the original individual on which this thread was focused––as I said, the Sub is an excellent watch, and I would absolutely agree that Rolex is an excellent brand. I just found humor in the situation.

You did call into the "ignorance " of sub and jnvicta wearers. But thats not the point. The point is you are seeing things from a bias and somewhat pretentious side.

First: your girlfriend asking someone if their rolex is a diver is a questionable aproach. And the answer is not wrong as it is a submariner.

See, as far as the guy goes maybe there IS a rolex model called the "diver" just like there is an "explorer" a "yatchmaster" or a "Daytona" so he is just answering the correct model name "submariner"

or maybe he knows watches and he thought your girlfriend was asking if it was a deep sea dweller..... or maybe he knows both of those models are "divers" ,as a few other Rolex
Models are, and he is now writing in a forum about the ignorant girl that asked him if his watch was a Rolex Diver because she doesnt know the difference between a no date sub, a sub, a deep sea etc. Maybe he is being specific.

BUT you come up with the one explanation that makes sense. He is an ignorant man that fits the profile of the invicta and submariner buyer, someone who spends 6000 or more on a watch but is ignorant about watches ( clutch your pearls!!! Not that!!)

Thats whats troubling. Your own bias is your ignorance. The one thing worse than being ignorant is being half informed and believing your own shit doesn't stink.

Same for the Daytona chrono comment from someone else. Maybe he calls it a stopwatch. Maybe he is Rumanian and barely speaks english. Maybe he works at the Rolex factory and just finds it is funny to feign ignorance.... maybe he didnt hear him well and is being polite, or maybe he doesnt know, but that does not make him a douche, or unworthy of the watch....

ffej4 · Apr 9, 2017

@Nobel Prize You raise some excellent points, and they come from a mind that is open to all possibilities. I will admit that I called a judgement on the level of his watch knowledge and did not consider the other possibilities you have metiomed.

This reminds me of a central point from the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. Stephen Covey (the author) was on a subway reading a paper when a man and his two young boys boarded. The boys were incredibly rambunctious—grabbing at each other, running around the subcar, and making loud noises. The father sat next to Stephen seemingly oblivious to the situation at hand. Eventually, Stephen snapped and asked the man to control his kids, as they were disturbing the other subway riders. The man snapped out of his funk, looked at Stephen, and said, "oh, I'm terribly sorry. Their mother just passed away at the hospital a few hours ago and they're not sure how to handle this. I'm not sure I am either."

Lesson learned: don't draw judgements without the full story.

I get the points made. And I understand that it's uncalled for one to assume that all Sub/Invicta/whatever wearers are uneducated in watch lingo. But I don't believe anyone here has stated that, and we should avoid turning this thread into a bigger argument than it has already become. If everyone could wave a white flag, perhaps the mods could close this thread?

speedolex · Apr 10, 2017

ffej4
I get the points made. And I understand that it's uncalled for one to assume that all Sub/Invicta/whatever wearers are uneducated in watch lingo. But I don't believe anyone here has stated that, and we should avoid turning this thread into a bigger argument than it has already become.

Always remember just how few people have as deep an understanding about all of the things they own. I could go on for hours about my Beatles collection, about the variances in labels for VJ releases in 1963/4, or what take of "For No One" appears on Revolver in mono, stereo, and all subsequent re-releases, you'd be impressed.

But I own 3 BMW's, all of which I'm told are special German high-performance cars capable of incredible feats of automotive excellence on and off the track, yet all I use them for is driving the kids to soccer and commuting to work in traffic. When I look at my position, my lifestyle, and my net worth the BMW brand seems to be exactly what I should be owning and driving and that's all it has to be. Reliable, attractive, safe, expensive. Whatever else is going on under the hood doesn't matter.

There is no lesson in this. Your girlfriend's Rolex man just wants a nice watch. Maybe he's the world's foremost expert on 1920's postage stamps. Or, perhaps, like most successful people who can be so cavalier as to drop $6,000 on a wristwatch he is so good at his job and so focused on doing it that he doesn't have the time or energy to become an aficionado of all of the trinkets he accumulates in his life. It's a piece of jewelry, after all.

ffej4 · Apr 10, 2017

@speedolex Very well said, sir.

Egatdagi · Apr 10, 2017

A Rolex doesn't make a guy a Douche. Neither does a Porsche or BMW. The douche is the guy that needs to flaunt his possessions to try and make himself seem better than the next guy. No judgement here.

Nobel Prize · Apr 10, 2017

ffej4
I get the points made. And I understand that it's uncalled for one to assume that all Sub/Invicta/whatever wearers are uneducated in watch lingo. But I don't believe anyone here has stated that,

But someone has:

ffej4
I have no idea how one could conduct a study on watch ignorance levels amongst watch wearers, but I would guess that Submariner and Invicta wearers top the list

ffej4 · Apr 10, 2017

@Nobel Prize Why are you fueling a fire? I don't know how many long messages I must post to apologize for any ill feelings this thread has garnered. To me, this thread is a dead horse and I am ready to move on.

I'm not going to argue or try to defend myself. My post can be taken as extreme WIS profiling or someone making an educated guess that wasn't intended to ruffle the feathers of certain individuals. Take it as you will. I am checking out of this thread.

Togri v. 2.0 · Apr 10, 2017

tyrantlizardrex
I've met a lot of pricks wearing expensive watches. And a lot of pricks, not wearing expensive watches.

Empirical evidence suggests that watches (expensive or otherwise), have little to do with how much of a prick someone is.

Very well put 👍

trackpad · Apr 10, 2017

I support the right of people to own and enjoy nice things - things they might know or understand very little about, or enjoy for reasons different from my own. God knows, I could see the same thing happening to me if the object were, say, a car and I was met by an enthusiast in the parking lot. Like...assuming I drove something much cooler.

As a rule, I'm generally wary of anyone with a contemporary piece, Submariner or otherwise. But not wary of their character, just of making (or testing) any assumption that the wearer will be knowledgeable or even remotely passionate about watches.

Spotting a vintage piece on the other hand... regardless of whether it's a $20k Rolex or a $200 Seiko ...that I consider an invitation (if not an obligation) to chat.

lillatroll · Apr 10, 2017

My brother was once caught short, he was about 8 or 9 years old, he went up a lane to take a pee. A jack Russel ran past, jumped up and bit him on the tinky. He came home crying, not because the dog bit him but because he thought that when he got to the hospital they would chop it off. I can't remember what was funnier, the dog biting him or him thinking his knob was going to chopped off. Appreciate your tinky, you never know when a dog is going to try to bite it off.

M'Bob · Apr 10, 2017

Oh Lord, what have I done...

yande · Apr 10, 2017

What a strange thread.. Think I'll come back, again, in another 12 months and see how "omegaforums" is fairing...

noelekal · Apr 10, 2017

The biased, pretentious, and troubling feature of this thread is not the aspersions cast on wearers of Submariners and Invictas. It is that the wearers of Submariners and Invictas are "snowflakes" requiring a self-righteous and self-appointed snowflake champion to defend them in their choices.

Billyp7718 · Apr 10, 2017

ffej4
My girlfriend, Cassie, has become fluent in the world of watches since we started dating about 1.5 years ago.

Today, at her job, a man approached her who was obviously wearing either a Sub or a GMT Master.

She asks him, "is that Rolex a diver?"

He smugly responds, "no, it's a Submariner."

This, folks, is the epitome of a man wearing a $6,000 watch yet does not know what a diver is.

How many of you have had interactions like this? I've only had one. I told a guy I liked his Planet Ocean and he had no idea what I was talking about. He then was like, "oh, the Omega?"

Anyways, cheers. Enjoy your weekend everybody!

HAHA... I am a self proclaimed WIS. I was wearing my Planet Ocean a while ago and someone came up to me and said they liked my PO. I thought he said BO so I looked at him funny and jokingly said that I did shower today. After an awkward pause, he said "your watch". Moral of the story, most people in most circumstances do not notice watches unless they are nerds like us. On the rare times they are noticed, it can make for awkward interactions.

speedolex · Apr 10, 2017

noelekal
The biased, pretentious, and troubling feature of this thread is not the aspersions cast on wearers of Submariners and Invictas. It is that the wearers of Submariners and Invictas are "snowflakes" requiring a self-righteous and self-appointed snowflake champion to defend them in their choices.

And here I thought it was about insecure Omega owners and their fragile emotions feeling second-rate in their safe spaces.

More importantly, what are we going to do about Cassie? She shouldn't be watch-flirting with other guys, if my wife caught me chatting up another woman about her choice of footwear she'd smack me upside the head.

Gaz6263 · Apr 10, 2017

Wow, I just read through this post from start to finish. I gotta get out more.

alam · Apr 10, 2017

I'm in the middle of a Technical Writing workshop and I'm using some of the writings in this thread to demonstrate some of the good and poor ways to define the argument... ok gang, goto go! break is over....

😀

Spacefruit · Apr 10, 2017

I propose before ANYONE replies to this thread that they post a WATCH thread next...

Even if it is "look at my Invicta that I love"

I am here for the enthusiasm generated by any watch. I dont care what anyone wears, or even why they wear it, as long as they can express some joy in the ownership.

I am off to follow my own advice now....