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Calling all UG "Evil Clapton" experts.

I need some advice on a watch I have no business purchasing 😂

Right up front this thing is running but needs a service.

Anything stand out in terms of originality? I have a decent eye, but I am by no means an expert like I know we have here. I was debating an earlier reference a few months ago, but I can't decide between the 50s tri-compax and the 60s.

Also, are these significantly harder to service than a typical chrono? Parts scarce?

Thanks!

 
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Other than the slightly worn insert which is in very good condition considering its age, I see nothing wrong with the pictures you've provided. The dial is very striking - some of the subdials have very minor stain/dirt but they won't be noticeable at all on the wrist and most importantly all the lume plots are nice and puffy and consistent with the lume on the hands (though I'd still ask for a UV light shot). I can't see the crown but I think its the period correct thin logo (it came in 2 variations of the thin logo at the time and both are correct). I can't see the model and serial no on the caseback but these were notorious for it rubbing off with wrist contact over time (though my experience is under high magnification and proper lighting, it can usually be seen or at least discerned).

I know the seller (from Mexico) and have dealt with him. Their price is usually on the premium side but am surprised by the fair pricing of this watch (16k USD), probably because its been relisted (it originally sold a few months earlier and you see pics on their site under different lighting conditions).

Regarding service, the general consensus here is that it's no harder to service than a chrono but I found it a bit challenging to find the right watchmaker to service it when I had a chrono reset issue last year. My usual watchmaker didn't want to take the risk of opening it and not being able to find replacement parts and another very well known vintage watch dealer with his own in house servicing here in Dubai also didn't want to service it for the same reason (the word he used was its a "headache" if parts need replacement). I eventually found another local service center that took on the challenge and did a decent job. Again, this is a highly subjective experience and hasn't deterred me from picking other Tri's (I have 3) but the risk of lack of watchmakers willing to venture into servicing these remains a credible threat to my collection!
 
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Other than the slightly worn insert which is in very good condition considering its age, I see nothing wrong with the pictures you've provided. The dial is very striking - some of the subdials have very minor stain/dirt but they won't be noticeable at all on the wrist and most importantly all the lume plots are nice and puffy and consistent with the lume on the hands (though I'd still ask for a UV light shot). I can't see the crown but I think its the period correct thin logo (it came in 2 variations of the thin logo at the time and both are correct). I can't see the model and serial no on the caseback but these were notorious for it rubbing off with wrist contact over time (though my experience is under high magnification and proper lighting, it can usually be seen or at least discerned).

I know the seller (from Mexico) and have dealt with him. Their price is usually on the premium side but am surprised by the fair pricing of this watch (16k USD), probably because its been relisted (it originally sold a few months earlier and you see pics on their site under different lighting conditions).

Regarding service, the general consensus here is that it's no harder to service than a chrono but I found it a bit challenging to find the right watchmaker to service it when I had a chrono reset issue last year. My usual watchmaker didn't want to take the risk of opening it and not being able to find replacement parts and another very well known vintage watch dealer with his own in house servicing here in Dubai also didn't want to service it for the same reason (the word he used was its a "headache" if parts need replacement). I eventually found another local service center that took on the challenge and did a decent job. Again, this is a highly subjective experience and hasn't deterred me from picking other Tri's (I have 3) but the risk of lack of watchmakers willing to venture into servicing these remains a credible threat to my collection!

Thank you so much for the detailed write up. I'm doing my best going through the forums and searching the web but the info on the tricompax line is not as in depth as I would like!

I'm currently liquidating pieces from my collection in hopes of purchasing either a 88101/2 or a 22297-3.

Besides the price difference I can't decide which one I like more! Straight vs lyre lugs! Black dial or silver dial! Bezel tachy or not? Spellino pump pushers?

WHAT DO I DO? 😜
 
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On the contrary, the information on Tri's especially early references from the 40's going into the 50's in this thread is higly valuable and extremely sound.
 
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On the contrary, the information on Tri's especially early references from the 40's going into the 50's in this thread is higly valuable and extremely sound.

Sorry! I wasn't clear. There's LOTS of info and while it's incredible to have such knowledge here, it sometimes is overwhelming and difficult to get a handle on it.
 
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It looks fine, it’s not a safe queen and has had a life. These watches are very straightforward to service per my watchmaker. He’s done all of mine. 40s /50s …
 
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Thank you so much for the detailed write up. I'm doing my best going through the forums and searching the web but the info on the tricompax line is not as in depth as I would like!

I'm currently liquidating pieces from my collection in hopes of purchasing either a 88101/2 or a 22297-3.

Besides the price difference I can't decide which one I like more! Straight vs lyre lugs! Black dial or silver dial! Bezel tachy or not? Spellino pump pushers?

WHAT DO I DO? 😜
Personally, I don't really understand why people would ask strangers what they should buy, unless it's just to make an investment. Universal is a brand for enthusiasts, and I think you should buy what you love to wear.
 
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Personally, I don't really understand why people would ask strangers what they should buy, unless it's just to make an investment. Universal is a brand for enthusiasts, and I think you should buy what you love to wear.

Hmmmm. I am an enthusiast. I was kinda just kidding around, meaning "I don't know which one to choose because I love them all so much".

I wasn't really asking for someone to make a personal choice for me. And I do not think watches are investments.


And if they are, I would consider them bad ones.
 
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This watch from this thread which originally sold from a Mexican dealer sold today on LoupeThis for a staggering price.

The case is beat to hell, and according to the original listing from Mexico, there were problems with the movement (date wheels).

With buyers premium and tax it went for well over $20,000.

It has a nice dial but I think that's a little strong no?

https://loupethis.com/auctions/universal-geneve-tri-compax-88101-02-evil-clapton

agreed, prices seem to be all over on these atm
 
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agreed, prices seem to be all over on these atm

Speaking of all over the place. Look at this bonkers auction result from today:

 
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Speaking of all over the place. Look at this bonkers auction result from today:

makes eric wind look like a bargain that - polerouter bracelet I think, dial and case look nice tbf
 
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makes eric wind look like a bargain that - polerouter bracelet I think, dial and case look nice tbf

Honestly, Wind just sold one for less. Now THAT'S crazy

Also interesting that a better example (on an evil Clapton) has been sitting on the pushers app for half a year at $10,000 less.

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Honestly, Wind just sold one for less. Now THAT'S crazy

Also interesting that a better example (on an evil Clapton) has been sitting on the pushers app for half a year at $10,000 less.

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i think these watches just arent as popular as people think they are, a handful of collectors have already got all the best examples, the ones that trade on the open market are good but seem to hang around for a while