Far be it from me to doubt the esteemed Kringkily on his estimation if this watch ....however I would like to know more about why this may be the case and what in fact is this watch at heart.

To my mind it does have some discrepancies that I can see but nothing too terrible for the money...

To me the 2998-3 does not go with the black base 1000 bezel which is more for a late 2915 or early 2998-1 possibly 2

However the movement of 166... Is correct for that black base 1000 bezel and also perhaps a late 2915 or early 2998

Also the hands seem right for any model 2998 even perhaps a late 2915?

Also the second hands which don't all match - is this normal that one is diamond shaped type though? Or have two of the second hands been replaced at some point?

What throws me out is clearly the the case back which doesn't match any of the above bezel or movement...

Could this in fact be a 2915 or early 2998 which had a replacement back for a 2998-3 ???

Would love your esteemed thoughts on the matter it's an interesting one

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OMEGA SPEEDMASTER WATCH 2998-3 CIRCA 1960 PRE MOON AND PRE PROFESSIONAL 321 CAL

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I think the serial number is too early should at least be in the 17s and the sub second hand is incorrect and different to the other two which should be dauphine if I am not mistaken. I tend to agree with Kringkily. I think it also has a "T SWISS MADE T" dial.

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if that was around US$ 6500-7000, I would be very happy to buy it and restore to original condition......do not use the currently circulating movement number/reference ratios as a gospel. omega did not; so why should we? kind regards. achim

 

I have not seen 16m in a 2998 before.

the dial (which is quite extensively degraded, possibly attractively) has a pronounced step.

i cannot see the "SWISS" markings but I would want to check it is not a T SWISS T - again because I have not observed it on a 2998-3 before.

the chrono hand is not one I have seen before on a 2998....or any other speedmaster for that matter.

I have not seen a BASE 1000 bezel on a -3.

My conclusion, based on what I see, is that it is a watch assembled from parts from different watches.

For me, it would have been a wonderful source of parts. The bezel is probably worth between $1000-2000. The bracelet $1000. The dial value would depend on the Swiss markings.

i would have bought it in a flash.

however I am currently distracted and missed it(!)

 

While I am no expert on the matter, I did take a close look and put an offer on the watch for parts.

The serial number seems to be in the range of a 2915-3 and the movement ring looks like my 2915-3 with the two holes in it. The Base 1000 bezel is in good condition but was not on the 2998-3 from observations and internet speculation.

The dial seems to be a T swiss made T which would place it much later than a 2915 or a 2998. The script of Omega with round "O" and a stepped dial seems to place it as a 105.003.

The hour hand is too short for a 2915-3, not for a 2998 but it looks like a re-lumed "first in space" hand. The subdial hands are obviously wrong for both the 2915 and 2998-3 ref. 2 Stick hands that look artificially aged and the seconds subdial hand appears to be silver. The chronograph hand as previously stated just looks wrong.

Just an opinion though. Would not have minded it for parts but personally would not try to pass that as anything original.

 

Would it be worth the price for spares even if we dont know if the movement belongs to a Speedmaster???

 

Sold for $8800.000 according to Ebay. Cheers..

 

Go to the link of the auction...in very small letters it will say (see original listing in small blue text), click on that, once you click on that scroll down a bit and on the right side look for the wording ( "print l report item" ) in blue again and click on print, once you do that it will give you the price it sold for, this is also good for the people who do not know this...cheers everyone hope that helps. Enjoy the hunt!

 

Sorry ( see original listing ) is in purple after you the auction link.

 

Glad to help!

 

Brilliant

 

dial is not correct neither for a 2998-3, nor for 16 million s/n. Indeed, main markers are too short, e.g at 3, 6 and 9 o'clock they do not touch the border of the subdials. it is probably with Ts or a small chance of transition dial without Ts, but specific to late 105.002 or very early 105.003.

 

Hi all, just took delivery, And appreciate all the advice. Yes possibly need a Swiss Made dial but to be honest the dial is stunning and works for me so may not. The subdial hands I may switch to make them matching. Then I suppose I decide if to switch the bezel to a regular dot over 90 (which I have in stock) and keep the base 1000 for a rainy day. To be honest I prob paid a bit over the odds but where am I going to get such a watch and even as parts this movement and parts aren't that easy to buy in one place ....and if your not looking to flip it but restore to wear how much can one lose in the medium term (famous last words). Normally I ask around and then buy but this has led me to lose deals I liked ( a beautiful grey blue dial speedy and a 2915 were casualties of my previous hesitation) so now I decided to just buy and take the punt as they say and if you make a mistake so be it! I will post some pics for you all as the project progresses! I will use the excellent watchmaker Stefan from this forum who did some excellent work for me previously on a Mark 3 to service. Thanks all for your advice/comments some great people here and I am glad to be part of such a community of like minded speedy lovers!

 

I like it even if it has some Issues

 

Thank you