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  1. richardew Apr 4, 2013

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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/221209047651?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
    The case is a bit rough. The dial is gorgeous. The hands look to be original and match the patina on the dial. The crown and pushers look right. The movement is right for a 2998-2. The bezel is almost irreplaceable (http://www.ebay.com/itm/151021743967?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network). The price is a bit high but not unreasonable for this watch IMHO.
     
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  2. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 4, 2013

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    I saw that one, good assessment. Price is not unreasonable as you say; does not make it easier to swallow though.
     
  3. g-boac Apr 4, 2013

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    Rich's assessment is spot on. Pricewise I was thinking a less. . .if the bezel and case were in better shape and the watch had the original bracelet with original papers and box + lollipop (which would be appropriate for a 2998-2) then $12K would be reasonable. As-is, I would consider this watch priced right at $8K, and well-bought at anything below that.

    cheers,
    Mark
     
  4. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Apr 4, 2013

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    I think if you found a nice -2 with all that, $12k would be low price!
     
  5. BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 4, 2013

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    Exactly! ::facepalm2::

    If I had not two 2998-1 and a 2998-2 and if not for Europe there is additional 19% VAT I would go for this one. In that condition you can search for long and will for sure not find at 8k USD....maybe 8k GBP :whistling:
     
  6. Kringkily Omega Collector / Hunter Apr 4, 2013

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    I like the watch and it is from a dealer that I know from another forum. Nice watch but the specs of water damage and the loss of detail around the edge of the dial makes me not a buyer. Like Mike said a good example would fetch quite a big penny.
     
  7. Interstatetime Apr 4, 2013

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    For a newbie to the subtle differences between 2998s, what kind of price difference does there tend to be from 2998-1 through 2998-6 (which I think is as far as they go?).

    Thanks
    JohnC
     
  8. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Apr 4, 2013

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    There is a -61 and -62 as well. The -1 and -2 command significant premiums compared to the other references for several reasons including the fact that they very closely resemble the 2nd generation of 2915-3 speedmasters - same black base 1000 bezel, alpha hands in subdials, dome dials (but not identical to the 2915-3 dial which is different). There are also some dials that turned chocolate and some -2 models have the lollipop seconds hand.
     
  9. Jaguar Apr 5, 2013

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    Sorry Boy's

    But in my mind there are NOT the original hands !

    The HOUR Hand Lume-Filling must be a Triangle shape.

    The sub-dial hands are to long - they touch the "wall".
    ... and they are repainted

    I really enjoy your enthusiasm - BUT ...

    ... I am not sooooooo sure with this one
     
  10. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Apr 5, 2013

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    Wrong about the hour hand - some of the original hour hands had the triangle lume but not all.

    And the subdial hands look ok to me.
     
  11. Jaguar Apr 5, 2013

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    Well this is what "you" say.

    I am Swiss - and - my Omega's are known at Omega - and - THEY said it to me !

    I also own a 2998-4 - last month back from Omega, Bienne - personally given there to me - with all the important note to my beauty !
     
  12. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Apr 5, 2013

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    I am 100% sure about the hour hand and I think several others who own multiple 2998s like myself will agree.
     
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  13. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 5, 2013

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    How do you explain the early Mercury program 2998s having straight shape hour lume and the large number of straight hour lume watches. My 2998 has triangle hour hand lume, so I have bias to defend.
     
  14. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 5, 2013

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    I don't think there's another watch in Omega's history that seems to cause as much debate around the original configurations as the 2998 in all its variants
     
  15. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Apr 5, 2013

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    The thing of it is the link Steve posted some months ago (http://translate.google.com/transla...eure.dk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=326&act=url) is pretty close to definitive about the 2998. I think there are a few small things that can be added to it (like the existence of 2 variants of the Base 1000 bezel) but from what I have observed it is right on the money.
     
  16. Jaguar Apr 5, 2013

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    so so ...
     
  17. Jaguar Apr 5, 2013

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    """With approx. 50 years ago, many unfortunately had changed the original parts with newer replacement parts."""
     
  18. Jaguar Apr 5, 2013

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    """based on research in Omega literature and on the Internet"""
     
  19. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 5, 2013

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    What Omega literature? Please cite your sources.
    Surely not AJTT, as it contradicts "must have triangle lume".

    OK the internet, I guess they could not say it on the internet unless it was true:rolleyes:
     
  20. BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 5, 2013

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    Yes, I Agreement with you in every aspect :)

    Jaguar, to be a Swiss citizen or to have visited Bienne and Omega personally (who of the european enthusiast has not been there!) means nothing. The guys in Bienne are very friendly but - sorry to say - they have little to no idea about the old 1st and 2nd generation Speedys. They even lost their documentation about Lémania à l'Orient, making it impossible to get extracts of archives with closer details. I had several contacts with Mr. Buettiker from the Museum and he is for sure an enthusiast and knows a lot about all the different Omegas but he is far away from being a specialist in the CK2915 and 2998 field. Just have a look to that terrible CK2998 in the museum, which you can also see in the archives pics, and you know what they know ::facepalm1::. Not too much .... Wrong dial, wrong hands, wrong pushers, wrong bezel.

    http://www.omegawatches.com/spirit/history/vintage-omegas/vintage-watches-database?ref=14294

    Concering the hands for the early 2998 there are several correct versions. probably you mean the later 2915-3 that probably showed only the triangular luminous hour marks with extremely huge triangle and much longer hour hand than at the 2998's. The 2998 hands exist with stick and triangle luminous markers at the hour hand and with different positions of the luminous markers at the minute hands. There exist also slightly different shapes and, in my opinion, even different finish (chrome and nickle finish).