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2913 FAP from Phillips – from swan to ugly duckling

  1. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Nov 15, 2017

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    A little off topic.

    Has anyone ever answered the question as to why issued watches from such historically lowly ranked air forces as Peru and Pakistan are so valuable? I understand that they are rare but rare does not necessarily translate to valuable.

    I can understand RAF (1953 2777-1 for example), Royal Navy 165.024s, NASA if they were available, USAF, USN, RCAF etc.

    Has Peru's air force every been involved in an international conflict? I realize some of the 1960's PAF watches could have flown in sorties vs India but still?????

    Just askin.

    Edit: I own a PAF 135.004-63 Seamaster/Railmaster btw but didn't pay much of a premium for it
     
  2. PerJ Nov 15, 2017

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    I guess only rarity. It is an issued watch and when it is model which is in demand it just multiplies value. I would be surprised if they were ever used as tools and not only given to semi corrupt high ranking airforce officials. FAP have commanded a big premium for rolexes for years and with vintage Omega on the up I guess these will become hotter and hotter.
     
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  3. M'Bob Nov 15, 2017

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    So many of the issued watches are in great condition...that may say something.
     
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  4. abrod520 Nov 15, 2017

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    Very good question, one I've often thought about too. Also add to that the many Argentinian Air Force pieces from the 1970s and early '80s - not only did they operate in support of a disgusting and terribly abusive dictatorship, they were unsuccessful in their only major conflict.

    I think what it comes down to is people just have a hard-on for military stuff, regardless of where it comes from.
     
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  5. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Nov 15, 2017

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    Which is worth more, the Peruvian Air Force fleet or the value of all of their issued watches ?:)
     
  6. Taddyangle Convicted Invicta Wearer Nov 15, 2017

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    Are there more watches or active aircraft? Wiki shows under 200 active aircraft in PAF fleet (US Air Force over 5,500).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Air_Force#Aircraft
     
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  7. mr_yossarian Nov 15, 2017

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    Gentleman, it's way to early to take the controversy out of this thread.
     
  8. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Nov 15, 2017

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    Mine was worn by the highest ranking FAP General throughout his career. Apparently he wore it during flights, and it was on his wrists when he crash landed 3 jets...not sure if that was because he was a bad pilot or because of the state of their fleet.
     
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  9. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Nov 15, 2017

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    I didn't pay much of premium for mine :)
     
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  10. ConElPueblo Nov 15, 2017

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    They had a General flying jets? ::confused2::

    What'll be next?







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  11. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Nov 15, 2017

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    it's Peru man...:)
     
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  12. PerJ Nov 15, 2017

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    I just know generals often had them from the ones I have seen. To be honest I didn’t think they flew.. ;)
     
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  13. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Nov 15, 2017

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    He was a Lt. Col. when issued...
     
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  14. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Nov 15, 2017

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    ...it’s because he was too busy ‘checking what time it is’...
     
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  15. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Nov 15, 2017

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    crashes might explain the original bezel ::facepalm1::
     
  16. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Nov 15, 2017

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    I think there area few reasons for this, but keep in mind it is difficult to compare different watches.
    But generally speaking I believe most military watch collectors are first and foremost watch collectors, which would make their motivations different differ from Militaria collectors., who might be more focused on one military or another. That, and the fact that issued and officially marked watches are very uncommon are likely the drivers of market value. My 2c




     
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  17. abrod520 Nov 15, 2017

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    Tyrannosaurs in F-14s!
     
  18. Togri v. 2.0 Wow! Custom title... cool Nov 15, 2017

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    Where's Goose?
     
  19. SgWatchBaron Nov 15, 2017

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    Therein lies a problem. I recall that I have first dibs. :cool: @watchknut
     
  20. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Nov 15, 2017

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    Don't worry...you do have first dibs, you know that!
     
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