Seller's name is dung_chrono which might not localize well globally.

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I was going to say the watch must be fake based on your title.

 

Yeah sorry fat fingered that.

 

2913-4. Interesting.

 

-4 was lollipop? I've never been lucky enough to see a 2913 in person. It would seem the seller sells lots of Frankenstein components.

 

I was just looking at this one as well! Movement seems to dates to the right period, and although I'm no expert, it looks good to me. Hands, and probably the dial have been relumed at some point. I'm sure the professionals will chime in shortly!

 

Description says the dial is relumed. These are tricky..

 

VIET NAM is party central for redone dials and bezels. Folks are very creative there

 

O.k. 2 things have me questioning this watch :

1. Unless I am forgetting something, the 2913 should be a cal 501. This is a cal 500
2. The bezel insert is reversed. The bezel should be going clockwise 10-20-30-40-50 on this watch it is going in the opposite direction.

Given whre its coming from I would tread carefully...

 

Countdown bezels were a valid option.. but the rest I agree with.

 

Yes, countdowns were a valid option, but I don't recall seeing one on an original 2913. I could be wrong.

 

Ah, I'm not sure which refs it was valid on, just that it was an option.

Maybe it's the original spectre...

 

Hi

Cal. 500 could indicate a US supplied Watch....stamped ' oxg ' too.

I would be more concerned over the condition of the rear outer Case seal and the over polished Caseback....and that dial is surely going to drive you insane over time and desparately wanting a replacement (shame it's been refinished - quite a nice ' fade ' to it). Insert is of course , non original.

Best - Neil

 

Correct and agree. The 2913 was delivered with a cal. 500 to the US (just like the 550 on the 165.024 for instance). BUT the serial is way to early. Most cal 500's I've seen are in fact on the 2913-4's, but they are all in the 16.7x range, some few in the 16.4x range, which is correct for a 2913-4, production in 1960. Most 2913-1's are in the 16.0x range and a few in the 15.9x range. So this serial 15.5x is no-go number 1 IMO

And regarding the Countdown bezel, these are correct for the -1 to -3 subreference, but -4 could be ok (if the bezel wasn't redone). BA hands = the same.

And yes, no-go number 2 and 3 are the dial and polished case/back. Dial should look like this ;-)

 

Beautiful patina!

 

Dung Chrono is a legitimate seller, who is upfront about what he knows - which is not a huge amount in vintage omega. He also has access to the best (Rolex) counterfeit factories in the world, because of his location.

You HAVE to know your stuff when buying from him. He won't try to cheat you, but he is not as aware of the niceties we take for granted here. It's up to the buyer to know.

His watches are often just plain, "shagged out" which bearing in mind the origin is not a surprise.

I bought a nice, inexpensive 105.012 from him.

 

Although this seller may be a good guy, I also question the authenticity of the watch. He's straight up about the relume and the crystal but I can't find any info on the serial number of the movement in relation to the age the watch. More specifically, it seems as the the movement type and serial number pre-dates the actual watch model number. However, I do know that Omega did not really keep consistent records or methods back then.

What to me is a dead give away are the following:

1) the patina on the dial is beautiful in my opinion but it also seems too uniform and perfect to have happened naturally.

But the kicker:

2) the caseback engraving. While all the letters should be uniform across SEAMASTER, the S and the E are quite smaller than the rest of the word.

Sure, this could be just a replacement caseback, but then why is it so beat up? I was almost ready to buy this watch but there seems to be too many irregularities.

And finally - if you look at the bidding - it went from $50 to $3000 in one shot.

Sketchy.

 

When did they change the name of the city back to Saigon ?