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2849 - omega logo on crown

omega1994
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Hi guys.

I am aware the 2849 reference should have a clover crown, like my example below.

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i have found a perfect 2849-1 SC dating from approx 1961, and want to pull the trigger, but the crown is putting me off. It is clover, so far so good, but the Omega logo is shaped differently. See below.

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I looked at a tonne of examples of the reference with the correct clover leaf crown, and most have the more compact, less rounded omega logo with no flicks at the bottom. Others have the logo similar the second one i posted above, but far less. Was there some variation in the Omega logo on 2849 crowns, and is the one above original do we think? Huge thanks as always guys.
 
omega1994
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Interesting thank you - is this the kind of thing that affects the value much? Should I not bother with it? it’s coming in at the pricier end for obvious reasons looking at it. So we can say that there is zero chance the crown is original - all clover leaf crown logos on 2849s looked like this?

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omega1994 omega1994
Interesting thank you - is this the kind of thing that affects the value much? Should I not bother with it? it’s coming in at the pricier end for obvious reasons looking at it. So we can say that there is zero chance the crown is original - all clover leaf crown logos on 2849s looked like this?

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Yes, it should look like this, but a wrong crown should not hold you off buying. A correct crown can be sourced pretty easily...
 
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A flat feet clover crown is maybe 50€/$/£. Factor that in, but no more than that.
 
omega1994
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MtV MtV
A flat feet clover crown is maybe 50€/$/£. Factor that in, but no more than that.
Thanks mate. Flat feet referring to the omega symbol itself? It’s only a stainless steel 2849 crown im after to match the case of course - assuming the ones that can be sourced are also old vintage parts? A new one might contrast too much with the fairly work case if this gilt 2849 I pictured. What’s the best place to look for such a thing? Huge thank you!
 
padders
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Crowns are routinely changed when an Omega is serviced by Omega themselves. New clovers have the newer logo as seen there. It wouldn’t bother me at all personally. Original crowns are great but generally mean water resistance is non existent.
 
omega1994
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Very interesting insight thanks Padders. So this crown is genuine, but highly likely to be a service crown? Without service history we won’t know I suppose. But as this is clover crown, albeit a newer version, it remains the correct crown for the reference, updated logo aside?
 
Dan S
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Personally I greatly prefer to have the original or period-correct crown because historical accuracy is what gives me joy as a vintage watch collector, but not everyone cares about that kind of detail. You need to decide for yourself what matters to you.
 
SOG53
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If I plan on wearing a watch regularly I like the water resistance of a replaced crown. But if not, then prefer original.
 
omega1994
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Dan S Dan S
Personally I greatly prefer to have the original or period-correct crown because historical accuracy is what gives me joy as a vintage watch collector, but not everyone cares about that kind of detail. You need to decide for yourself what matters to you.
That’s a really good way of thinking about it. I will consider getting an accurate crown if I buy, but as the two look so similar probably worth leaving it.

As as aside - looks like 2849s with arrowhead markers like the one aside don’t come up very often. Obviously with a gilt dial that one is quite rare, but even just plain dial with arrowheads I’m struggling to find in good nick. Is that fair to say?
 
SOG53
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Watch looks good with correct text. These were lumed with radium which ages quite dark brown like the hand lume. I suspect the hour marker lume dots are later tritium relume. UV light would tell, as radium lume disappears almost instantly, and tritium lume glow lasts 20 sec or so.
What is SN of movement? Here’s mine from 1958 for comparison. Most of these show some degradation of lacquer like this one.
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omega1994
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Watch looks good with correct text. These were lumed with radium which ages quite dark brown like the hand lume. I suspect the hour marker lume dots are later tritium relume. UV light would tell, as radium lume disappears almost instantly, and tritium lume glow lasts 20 sec or so.
What is SN of movement? Here’s mine from 1958 for comparison. Most of these show some degradation of lacquer like this one.
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Serial number is blocked out in the sale pics, but looks to be 18044??

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SOG53
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That is 1961, should be radium lume. There is prominent circular scratch on the bridge beneath the rotor which is from rotor rub between rotor and bridge, so factor in full service.
What is asking price?
 
omega1994
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That is 1961, should be radium lume. There is prominent circular scratch on the bridge beneath the rotor which is from rotor rub between rotor and bridge, so factor in full service.
What is asking price?
Very high - 3k, but I’d try and negotiate this down. The listing says it has just been fully overhauled.
 
SOG53
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Massively high price even if totally orig. worth one third of that if orig imo.
Yes relume would reduce value somewhat
 
omega1994
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That’s very interesting. From looking at past sales id Say an original gilt dial on good condition, with these specific arrowhead markers usually commands a high price - I’d guess around 2 if all original.
 
omega1994
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Listing also claims the arrowhead markers are solid 18k. Not the first time I’ve seen this claimed for arrowheads on an otherwise stainless steel watch. I wonder how to tell this is true?
 
SOG53
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Ok I’ll budge some maybe worth half asking price given indices. But I would also ask for closeup of dial in natural light to assess the dial better than this one dark photo.
 
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