2021 Model predictions

Charger_Vital

bgrisso

I really wish they would stop sticking that star on the end of the chrono sweep, really tacky IMO

bgrisso

No, it's not the double use of the star on both the dial and hand, even if there was no star on the dial I would still dislike it on the hand. I just don't like it. I really appreciate that they are not using it on the re-release for the 384, 385, 386

cvalue13

you may be right, but I’d think not until hand-held to understand otherwise

I’d think a “decimeter” bezel would be more properly understood to split one minute into 100 parts, with a minute being 100% of a standardized unit of time. One can then measure elapsed time of an event into a % of a minute.

This watch instead splits 10 seconds into 100 parts - with 10 seconds being an otherwise non-standard unit of time. What experiment/use could conceivably require knowing the % of 10 seconds elapsed?

I think instead this bezel is intended not to tell you the % of 10 seconds elapsed, but as essentially a dial-register moved to the bezel for dramatic effect (and legibility). It merely tells you to 1/10th of the second the elapsed time (the dial registers left to the remaining elapsed time info).

But who knows

P pongster

like the striking tenth?

steelfish

he decimetre bezel is really quite handy I feel

cvalue13

Not to beat a dead horse, but because you say it is quite handy and I'm seriously curious to know how:

I again do not believe this is a decimetre bezel (it does not measure 1/100th of any standard unit of measure); this bezel is used to determine 1/10th of a second in the chrono function.

So, really, this bezel does no more than allow someone timing an event to get timing at the 1/10th second *accuracy.*

However, I assume that if someone actually needed 1/10th second accuracy, they would not rely on the human eye and finger reflexes to determine same. (Average hand-eye reflex is ~ 1/4 a second, which rather matches the accuracy tolerances of most standard chronographs.)

All that presumption laid out, I am very interested to hear what would be handy about this not-decimetre bezel!

steelfish

But when I’m struggling with my near vision as I am now it’s great to quickly see the 3 o’clock sub dial is past 20 and the bezel shows 04 - meaning 24 seconds has gone by. I can do that with a quick glance versus having to squint at the sub dial and count tiny ticks past the 20 mark..whatever the right name for the bezel is!

cvalue13

Based on my read, this is the same 3600 movement that was in the 50th Ann. watch from early 2019? No?

To me, the watch too nearly suggests that someone at Zenith finally said: “we’ve reissued everything else, f*ck it let’s reissue the Daytona”

I thought it was going to be a slightly different movement but apparently it is not.

I don't think it looks like a Daytona. From 20ft away maybe. Up close I don't think it does. You clearly feel different and I will not try to convince you otherwise.

I have always felt that the hour totalizer is a waste of space. I have never use



And with all seriousness, a chrono that deletes the hour totalizer for instead a 1/10th seconds central chrono? The average human hand-eye reaction time is 1/4 seconds.

In the 50th Ann set the complication made sense, because the set included the 1/10th model, the 1/100th model and the open space for the futuristic 1/1000th model.

but on a supposed bread-and-butter non-limited product line?

Togri v. 2.0

I think the new Chronomaster Sport looks quite good. If they made a “normal” chronograph and not 1/10th second, I would strongly consider it

FrostyJunction

What is it that you are timing that takes over an hour?

cvalue13

I see; so in effect you’re adding to my view that this bezel is just an extension of the subdial totalizers, and in your (nearsighted) case a more readable one (though duplicative) regarding elapsed seconds in particular.

Fair enough; that seems both reasonable and at the same time the sum extent of its utility. 👍

High Hope

One potential use: Timing laps in the pits at a race track. Yes, I know, human hand and 1/4 sec and all that, but it would be a fun exercize.

cvalue13

I think your post’s quoting attempts are garbled, and mixes different people’s posts with your own comments.

But to get at what seems to be your question: given the entire history of chronographs, I don’t think the hour totalizer needs a defense; but instead a 1/10th second novelty bezel needs the explanation, when it seems incapable of be useful (based merely on error and tolerances of the operator).

I’m more than happy to hear Zenith say, “it’s really only about showcasing our movement’s ability to capture 1/10th second intervals, which is an horological marvel.”

I think that’s a reasonable explanation - But again, I’d only be left wondering why they might choose to do such a marketing piece with a supposed bread-and-butter non-limited product line, especially after having offered the 50th Ann version that did a great job marketing that.

regarding it looking like a Daytona: well, my comment was in part tongue-in-cheek. But, Zenith has a particularly unique history with the Daytona, and as a result should probably be more careful than most to not overplay that hand. It’s like the younger brother wearing to school the older brother’s varsity letterman’s jacket: they don’t look the same, but it’s fair to tease him for it.

FrostyJunction

I am not looking to get into a pissing match over it's usefulness.

FrostyJunction

Personally I much rather have this type of complication than a standard chrono complication.

F faapaa

Daytonas are not keeping time

Charger_Vital

Thats funny. I hadnt even noticed. Good eye