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No, not really. I've just given you instructions on how to perform the test. When you have completed them and posted the results I will comment further. Again I'm going to ask that you read my posts carefully, and follow my instructions or we are not going to get very far mate.

Cheers, Al

edit - looks like we were typing at the same time - I know you are anxious to learn all this, but one thing you need for watchmaking is patience. Thanks for doing the test again.

Al
Yes we were typing at the same time. I will conduct the test tomorrow again and in the mean time exercising what I lack of: patience.......馃榾
 
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Oh and one thing I should mention since this is a chronograph - the checks above are done with the chronograph stopped.

Cheers, Al
 
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Oh and one thing I should mentuion since this is a chronograph - the checks above are done with the chronograph stopped.

Cheers, Al
Noted.
 
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Ouch.......... I missed the 24 hour mark..........now I fully rewind again and wait another 24 H 馃檨
 
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OK, now the watch is ready at approx -24H from fully wound (~100 turn)

The watch: Speedmaster 3570.50 Moonwatch Caliber 1861
Setting lift angle: 50 degree
Stabilization time: ~60 second
Observation: ~20 second after stabilization time

Here are the result:

1st Position with dial up: 214 degree, +2 second/day, 0.5 ms
2nd Position with crown down : 212 degree, +70 second/day, 0.6 ms
3rd Position with dial down crown left: 221 degree, +11 second/day, 0.4 ms

What do these numbers tell, Al? Thanks
 
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Here are the pictures of the test:

1st position with dial up:


This is second position, vertical with crown down



Lastly third position with crown left

 
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I would like to get a full set of timing results before I comment, so let's move on to part 2 of the testing. Fully wind the watch, wait for 30 minutes, and repeat the three timing tests, then we can discuss the timing results as compared to Omega standards.

I will say I'm surprised to see +70.

Cheers, Al
 
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OK fully wind the watch, and let'see the test result in 30 minutes............馃榾

Yes, I am also surprised with that +70s result,too. Actually at the crown up position, the result is better.
 
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-30 minutes after full wind test result:

The watch: Speedmaster 3570.50 Moonwatch Caliber 1861
Setting lift angle: 50 degree
Stabilization time: ~60 second
Observation: ~20 second after stabilization time

the result:

1st Position with dial up: 258 degree, +1 second/day, 0.4 ms
2nd Position with crown down : 236 degree, +64 second/day, 0.5 ms
3rd Position with dial down crown left: 259 degree, +9 second/day, 0.4 ms

the amplitude increase between 20-40 degree compare to -24H test
the rate and beat error not change much, though.
 
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Okay so we have some good information here. Here is the information that Omega publishes for watchmakers as minimum requirements after a service is completed:

1861specs_zpse18d267b.jpg

I have highlighted the Cal. 1861 information. From left it gives the Cal. as 1861, C or N and this is N for non-chronometer, beat rate of 21,600, lift angle of 50, 3 testing positions, and the stabilization and testing times.

Now for the actual tolerances. Looking further to the right you will see Amplitude 24 hours indicated as 190 degrees - this is the minimum amplitude in any position at full wind -24 hours. Your exceeds that, so you are good there.

Moving to the left now, max. beat error is 0.6 and your watch is good there, although most watchmakers strive for zero or as close as possible.

Now we come to the 2 Delta readings. So one is done at full wind -24 hours, and the other at full wind. This is the difference between the fastest and slowest rates over the 3 positions tested, and at 2 different states of wind. So if your watch was running say +10 in the fastest position and 0 in the slowest, the delta is 10. If it was -5 to +5, the delta is still 10, and -10 to 0, again 10.

For full wind the maximum delta is 15 seconds, and at full wind -24 hours, it's 20 seconds. For your watch the delta at full wind is 63 seconds (64-1) and for full wind -24 hours it's 68 seconds (70-2). This is well outside Omega specifications.

Moving to the left again, we see target rate at 0 hours (full wind) and it is +5 seconds per day. This is the average of the three readings at full wind. Then we have upper and lower limits for this average at -1 to +11. Your average is +24.7, so again, well outside Omega specifications.

So your watch is not running within Omega specs at this time. Although there are no specifications for it, the balance amplitude at full wind being about 260 in the horizontal position is a bit low. My "rule of thumb" s more for 270 as a minimum, and it's not unusual to see 300 degrees here.

Now you know what Omega specs are, and how your watch compares to them.

Cheers, Al
 
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My watch has one position variation that is really off (vertical). What would be possible factor cause that? Should a service needed soon?
 
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Could be several things - poise error, balance spring not centered, balance spring hitting something in that one position....difficult to say without seeing the watch.

Service intervals are a very individual thing, so it really depends on several factors. I don't have a universal answer for these things. I have no idea what condition the movement is in, or when it was last serviced.

If this deviation in rate bothers you, then you can certainly get it looked at. As I said, often collectors having these tools will cause more strife than pleasure.

Cheers, Al
 
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Point well taken Al.
Thank you for your explanation. Now I learn the basic of using timegrapher properly.

Regards,
HP
 
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As I said, often collectors having these tools will cause more strife than pleasure.

Cheers, Al

Sometimes one finds out more than one wants to know 馃榿
 
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Sometimes one finds out more than one wants to know 馃榿

Yeaaa.........kind of reducing the motivation to check the rest of my watches 馃榾 . But still better to know early and contacting my watchmaker for a service rather than having a bad surprise 馃槻 .
 
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Point well taken Al.
Thank you for your explanation. Now I learn the basic of using timegrapher properly.

Regards,
HP

You are welcome.

Cheers, Al
 
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Really fascinating. - thanks both for putting the time in to document this.
 
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Really fascinating. - thanks both for putting the time in to document this.
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You can start to understand why Omega charge so much for a service !..馃榿