1973 Speedmaster Professional 145.022

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moretoasties

·Jan 4, 2020

Hi all,

Came across a local deal and wanted to confirm with OF that the Speedmaster I'm looking at has correct and original parts. Should a 1973 have a step dial? Any other concerns?

Thanks so much, and apologies for the photo quality. It's all I've got to go on.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmmtjDNuZRopdPwEA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zpVWQdtc9ZK4hpbz6

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ryankelly

·Jan 4, 2020

M moretoasties

Hi all,

Came across a local deal and wanted to confirm with OF that the Speedmaster I'm looking at has correct and original parts. Should a 1973 have a step dial? Any other concerns?

Thanks so much, and apologies for the photo quality. It's all I've got to go on.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qmmtjDNuZRopdPwEA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zpVWQdtc9ZK4hpbz6

Hard to tell (for me) from pic if it even has a step dial; seems important to get a sn off the movement and perhaps a model number off the inside of the caseback, and confirm what you’re really dealing with. This is also good info: http://speedmaster101.com/145-022/145-022-71-74-76-78/

Cant speak much beyond that but it looks nice.

 

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Denarius

·Jan 4, 2020

That is a nice looking Speedy going by those 2 images, lume seems to match, case looks like it has sharp edges, bezel looks clean and crisp, the bracelet looks like a 1035 in nice condition which is valuable, and the crater box is also rare and worth a lot of money.

I have a 1974 step dial by serial but case back says 71-T.

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Andy K

·Jan 4, 2020

What is the basis of calling it a 1973 Speedmaster? Does it come with an Extract dating it to 1973? Receipt or warranty paperwork from 1973? Does the serial number suggest 73? If so based on what SN table?

There is no -73 model, and the reason I ask all these questions is that as @ryankelly suggests you need pics of the serial number and inside of the caseback in order to determine if the dial is appropriate.

 

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moretoasties

·Jan 4, 2020

Thanks all for your help. The seller suggested that it's a 1973 and so I'm assuming he's correct until I see otherwise, but you're all correct that it's not confirmed.

Thank you for the link to the S101 page, I hadn't seen that particular article!

I'll be paying the seller a visit tomorrow to see the watch, fingers crossed it's all there! Thank you for the help.

 

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wagudc

·Jan 4, 2020

ryankelly

Hard to tell (for me) from pic if it even has a step dial; seems important to get a sn off the movement and perhaps a model number off the inside of the caseback, and confirm what you’re really dealing with. This is also good info: http://speedmaster101.com/145-022/145-022-71-74-76-78/

Cant speak much beyond that but it looks nice.

I agree with all you say. More and better pictures are needed. Also, I am concerned that the Chrono is stopped just so it covers the S on Speedmaster. The style of the S is the easiest way to identify a dial.

 

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gefmey

·Jan 4, 2020

And hopefully that box comes with it.

 

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dennisthemenace

·Jan 4, 2020

I think the chrono hand has been stopped there for a reason.
If you zoom in, the Sp looks to me as if it's damaged.

 

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Pinoysurf

·Jan 4, 2020

M moretoasties

Thanks all for your help. The seller suggested that it's a 1973 and so I'm assuming he's correct until I see otherwise, but you're all correct that it's not confirmed.

Thank you for the link to the S101 page, I hadn't seen that particular article!

I'll be paying the seller a visit tomorrow to see the watch, fingers crossed it's all there! Thank you for the help.

Looks great from the pics. I'd say -74 or -76 just because I don't really see the step. How much they asking for it?

 

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Matth84

·Jan 5, 2020

Nice watch. I think the hands are replaced during a service.

Matth

 

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Denarius

·Jan 5, 2020

Matth1984

Nice watch. I think the hands are replaced during a service.

Matth

They look fine to me as the lume looks in keeping with the hour indices, I think what happens sometimes is cameras over expose close up images of black dials which makes the hands and highlights look brighter and essentially newer white paint.

 

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eugeneandresson

·Jan 5, 2020

Photography skills are lacking.

@moretoasties , for posterity its better to copy pictures into a thread, as links go dead.

I would say it looks great.
The hands look fine to me (they look untouched).
The step can be seen from the lume.
I would also wager that there is no damage to the dial and that any marks on 'Sp' are scratches on the crystal (there are a few other scratches if one looks carefully).
Its probably a 145.022-71.
But as the others said, to be certain, you need more pictures.
And, all depends on price...

 

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Screwbacks

·Jan 5, 2020

🥰😗

is it mint? or, nos.

 

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OMEGuy

·Jan 5, 2020

Judging by these two pictures, the watch looks stunning! Obviosly worn only a couple of times and then stored away for decades...

 

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Pinoysurf

·Jan 5, 2020

eugeneandresson

Photography skills are lacking.

I would also wager that there is no damage to the dial and that any marks on 'Sp' are scratches on the crystal (there are a few other scratches if one looks carefully).

Agree. Bad photo. 'Sp' just blurry I think.

 

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Foo2rama

·Jan 5, 2020·Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...

Need better pics. I’d not verify that’s a step dial from the pictures. But -73 production is a 145.022-71 and should have a step dial.

 

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Foo2rama

·Jan 5, 2020·Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...

Denarius

That is a nice looking Speedy going by those 2 images, lume seems to match, case looks like it has sharp edges, bezel looks clean and crisp, the bracelet looks like a 1035 in nice condition which is valuable, and the crater box is also rare and worth a lot of money.

I have a 1974 step dial by serial but case back says 71-T.

What does ilovemyspeedmaster.com say for production date?

 

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ryankelly

·Jan 5, 2020

Foo2rama

Need better pics. I’d not verify that’s a step dial from the pictures. But -73 production is a 145.022-71 and should have a step dial.

As @eugeneandresson said, and after looking again, I do think you can see the step telegraph through the lume at 12 o’clock. Obvs the OP needs to confirm up close though.

 

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eugeneandresson

·Jan 5, 2020

12,1,2 and 3...

 

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Foo2rama

·Jan 5, 2020·Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...

ryankelly

As @eugeneandresson said, and after looking again, I do think you can see the step telegraph through the lume at 12 o’clock. Obvs the OP needs to confirm up close though.

eugeneandresson

12,1,2 and 3...

I’m not disagreeing. But if my rep was on the line for a purchase recommendation, I’ve been fooled with better pictures before. It does tend to look like a step dial but the picture quality makes me Leary to confirm.