1969 Racing dial, real or fake/franken

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Need some help on this .....


The Serial number on the movement 29XXXXXX seems about right as done this type of dial markings and hands variation. At least, I have seen this variation of a 1969-70s racing speedmaster hand set. They are asking aroung $10,000 us which would be a huge bargain given auction prices in the past year.....However, that would not be a bargain based on pricing from a year or two ago...just thinking out loud. Any help would be great as I need to make a decision in 2 days...thank you so much! Also the lack of a step dial concerns me


Reply from shop "Hello, Thank you very much for your interested in #8466 OMEGA.
We purchased this item from our customer. This watch dial is no step down dial. At 1969'S omega manufactured every one called racing dial model.
2 kind of types dials ( old step down dial and no step down dial ) OMEGA S.A. they attached 2 kind of types dial ( old and new ) to the same age watches.
Do you have an any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask us."




 
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Well, the hands are incorrect. Those are for the Mark II line. That would be me on alert and want to triple check everything else very carefully.
 
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No expert here, but the Omega symbol seems to have been over-printed (in both pictures), suggesting maybe a standard no-step dial was just over-printed.
 
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Spotted that too, additionally, the 2 orange sub dial hands look (at least in the photos) show traces of white at their centres.

No expert here, but the Omega symbol seems to have been over-printed (in both pictures), suggesting maybe a standard no-step dial was just over-printed.
 
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Real ones have a step dial this is not
 
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OmegaSpeedmaster145022-racing-Lot30-1.jpg

That's a real one that Fratello had posted on their blog. Can we play "Spot the differences"? Seriously the people trying to sell that to you for $10K are rip off "artists". Artists is in quotes, because that assemblage is a pretty piss poor job and not artistic whatsoever.
 
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The OP watch is a facsimile of the grey dial racing project pictured in MWO.

Racing dial projects are so rare, so unfamiliar that we cannot be sure - well I cannot be sure - which hands were originally fitted. The OP watch has the same hand layout as MWO and so while we can say it is unusual, and from a MKII, we cannot say it was not originally Omega fitted.

Then again, were all the racing dial watches assembled by Omega, or from spare prototype dials that leaked from the factory?

I do not know.

I do know that originals I have seen are all stepped, as has been said.

The modern Japan Special dials, that are numerous and freely available as loose dials, have no step but also no T. Could the OP watch be a Japan dial with added T's?

without the step in the dial, I would not be a buyer.

Secondly, the price is off by at least 50% and any fule with an internet connection and 30 minutes would know that - so the seller must know that, and it seems therefore he does know that.
 
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Are the pictures all cropped like that so you can't see the bezel?
 
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Even cropped as is, the zero of the 90 should be visible if it was the same bezel like on Fratello Watches' photograph as it almost touches the white index on its right :

 
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I thought all flat dials are from mkii's
 
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Even cropped as is, the zero of the 90 should be visible if it was the same bezel like on Fratello Watches' photograph as it almost touches the white index on its right :


And you can tell from looking at the 70 that it is incorrect - the only Dot below 70 and DO 90 bezels are fakes.
 
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I find the cropping quite cute regardless, they'd have to know its relevant, yet seem keen to have it just outside of frame. Its rare to find somebody who asks $10,000 for one of these yet hides the 90 in every shot by accident.
 
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Actually, I saw this watch in this July in Tokyo and one of the sellers there admitted that the dial is not correct because it doesn't have a step. The dial appears to me a racing dial Japan limited version sold in 2004.
 
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Actually, I saw this watch in this July in Tokyo and one of the sellers there admitted that the dial is not correct because it doesn't have a step. The dial appears to me a racing dial Japan limited version sold in 2004.

I don't think it's from a 2004 - it looks like a badly painted faked dial to me. The Omega symbol was clearly white and then printed over with orange.