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1946 "Pre-Seamaster" Ref. C2577-4 Full Set (Pat Pen Box, BoR

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It looks like this was the Connie listing: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/336611679096?nordt=true

The item description from the listing doesn't match the verbiage provided by the OP, so I am curious as to where the OP got their info from. I am surprised that "with crosshair grid" didn't set off immediate alarms. There is no crosshair whatsoever on that dial. Is there any chance that ChatGPT / AI is being to analyze watch listings? If so, I would proceed with absolute caution.
Yes, exactly this. It actually makes me a bit curious about OP.
 
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I agree with @aprax (and everyone else). That piepan is shocking. I immediately thought that the colouration of the different parts of the movement are so wildly disparate that it is highly likely that the movement has been cobbled together from at least three different watches.
There's something wrong about the observatory that I can't put my finger on.
But the dial is an obvious redial. Since the advert says "unrestored original" I'd use this as grounds for significantly not as described and return it.
 
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@JimInOz The seller can put what they like about not accepting returns. If the ad contained the description that the OP says it does:
Vintageinchesire said:
[quote = Sellers_advert]
Dial: Original, un-restored silver-white ...
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Then the seller has misrepresented the goods.

It appears that both seller and buyer are in the UK. Under UK law the buyer is entitled to return the goods for a refund if the seller has misrepresented.

Interestingly, under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act, any credit provider is jointly and severably liable for goods purchased on credit. There's a lower limit to the value that doesn't apply here. If the buyer used a credit card to pay ebay, then should the seller refuse a refund, the seller can request one from his CC company. Provided he supplies enough good evidence, he will get one. The CC company just claw the money back from the seller via ebay.

Whilst debit card providers aren't legally obliged to offer protection as above, most of them in the UK do, purely so they don't lose sales to credit cards. So even if the seller paid by debit card, he can still get his money back. Ask for a Visa chargeback and don't take "no" for an answer.
 
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The seller can put what they like about not accepting returns.
Understood and I hope the buyer pushes the issue. A simple "not as described" should suffice.

I was just pointing out the warning signs that would instantly have me ignoring the item.
 
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Unless the OP had a conversation with the seller, I’m not sure where he got his description from.
This is the description in the original listing.


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The other thing curious here is that the Seamaster ebay listing mentions nothing about a BOR bracelet. Maybe the seller threw it in out if the goodness of his heart or maybe the OP was not giving us the full picture...

Oh those watches weren't from the same ebay seller in case anyone was wondering. Separate private sellers.
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Unless the OP had a conversation with the seller, I’m not sure where he got his description from.
This is the description in the original listing.
Just a note for posterity: Sellers can edit their listing descriptions, so—in theory—the OP could have been quoting from a description that the seller later modified (extensively). But I don't think that's what happened here. When a seller does make edits, eBay preserves all versions of the description, and anyone viewing the listing can see the edit history. There's no such history on this listing, but I'm not sure if eBay keeps the history after the item sells. In any case, unless the OP returns and corrects us, I'm sticking with my assumption that he or she is up to something shady or at least annoying.
 
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Unless the OP had a conversation with the seller, I’m not sure where he got his description from.
This is the description in the original listing.

I got the impression OP and seller were the same person. But maybe I'm being paranoid 😁
 
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Well, the OP hasn’t been back since his last post which is odd.
But the Constellation listing had ended - so it’s possible someone such as the OP bought it (and I don’t know why you would want to ‘out’ your own dodgy watch if you were the seller. )
 
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Well, the OP hasn’t been back since his last post which is odd.
But the Constellation listing had ended - so it’s possible someone such as the OP bought it (and I don’t know why you would want to ‘out’ your own dodgy watch if you were the seller. )


We know that many auctions over there are rigged by the seller, perhaps in this case the aim was simply to make sure the watch was indeed dodgy. But again, I’m probably mistaken.
 
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