1944 Longines 12L

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I know I’m being messed up, but I like the result better than the before.

I’m in the minority, but the relumed dial and hands make for a face that sings to me, at least. I’d happily take it off your hands. PM me.
 
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It's good to know someone else would purchase the watch from me if I decide to sell it. Although I haven't even received the watch yet. It'll probably take a month, as it's coming from Russia. I messaged a Russian seller on Ebay, that I've purchased from before, asking if they could translate the certificate it comes with. His response: "Looks like All original.
Document write about this Man - Leikin B.Ya.
1919 him accept in Red Army.
IN 1944 year- him recieve this watch for XXV years anniversary stay in Army.
This watch possible find on WW2 and next gift to this Man.
It's possible."
 
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Interesting watch, and story. Seems like alot of hazzel to create a fake provenance over 300 bux...
 
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It's good to know someone else would purchase the watch from me if I decide to sell it. Although I haven't even received the watch yet. It'll probably take a month, as it's coming from Russia. I messaged a Russian seller on Ebay, that I've purchased from before, asking if they could translate the certificate it comes with. His response: "Looks like All original
Document write about this Man - Leikin B.Ya.
1919 him accept in Red Army.
IN 1944 year- him recieve this watch for XXV years anniversary stay in Army.
This watch possible find on WW2 and next gift to this Man.
It's possible."
That’s interesting and a fair argument. One question which cannot be resolved with this picture, is the technique used to create the markings, and whether the metallic traces left by those markings are new or have incurred any patina on the edges. It requires high resolution and a trained eye.
Military watch experts are used to scrutinizing engravings very closely for authenticity, especially now that so many fakes are created these days to manufacture military provenance and pump up prices.
 
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That’s interesting and a fair argument. One question which cannot be resolved with this picture, is the technique used to create the markings, and whether the metallic traces left by those markings are new or have incurred any patina on the edges. It requires high resolution and a trained eye.
Military watch experts are used to scrutinizing engravings very closely for authenticity, especially now that so many fakes are created these days to manufacture military provenance and pump up prices.
I was thinking the same thing. It may be more obvious when I receive the watch, how worn it is, or if the certificate smells old and looks faded. I confirmed by another Russian that the certificate says what the seller said it did.
 
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I still think it’s gorgeous. If you’re not in love, let me know.
 
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New engraving or not, I like it too. He was honest about the reluming which would fool me so maybe the engraving is period.
 
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Buy what you like and wear it,

and if you don't like it you can always sell it later.

Simple enough no? :>

For me I'd wear it...if I wasn't in a major consolidation phase.
 
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I am in love. It's much more impressive in person, and a nice size for me, 33mm. I still can't tell whether the engraving is period or not, but sure looks like it could be, examining it under a magnifier.
 
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Looks to be a classy little piece! Of course the OGs are going to be against the relume but it actually looks pretty solid. They did a great job of matching the tones
 
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As someone who has been a collector of something most of my life, I can say that most markets are driven by greed and money.

What was once rare was rendered obsolete by the internet. After eBay started, items you never saw flooded the market from all over. They weren’t so rare after all. That included watches.

Since certain watches weren’t rare anymore, collectors decided that only certain things were rare and the value goes up. More of those turn up and suddenly it’s all about the dial or the movement or certain stamps etc.

As long as people buy things they think may increase in value instead of just because they like them, there’s always going to be someone who will tell you that what you have isn’t worth anything or has increased/decreased because of..

Just my 2 cents having seen both sides of the collecting world
 
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I am in love. It's much more impressive in person, and a nice size for me, 33mm. I still can't tell whether the engraving is period or not, but sure looks like it could be, examining it under a magnifier.

Darn! Guess I won’t be getting a shot at your watch.

BUT, good for you! Wear it in good health!

I think it’s one of the coolest watches I’ve seen on OF, in part because it’s not some fancy, expensive watch.
 
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Nice. Now you just got to get rid of that strap😗

+1 on the strap.
And that dial patina is indeed quite lovely.
 
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Just saw this post. Amazing story. No one in his clear mind would go through the effort of faking all this for 300$. You are very, very lucky to have found this. I have a 12L myself that I bought in Japan at the same time for a very similar price.
Wear yours in good health.
 
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Hi,

I'm quite sure some american 12L Longines have been sent tu USSR for the war effort, I can't find back my source but I remember reading an article about this with another example of this watch with russian engravings. Right now only things I can find are this Longines offer in french (the last paragraph of the description clearly stipulates Longines were sent by lend lease and Russian War Effort programs) and this post by a trusted russian collector (the last post at the end of the thread), sorry for these thin sources but I'm positive it's not the first time I see a "soviet" 12L with genuine WW2 engravings.

I wouldn't really trust that it was serviced unless it was from a reputable watchmaker that you trust with evidence of said service.

Me neither. Simple rule when you buy a vintage watch, get it serviced immediately from a trusted watchmaker if you plan to wear it, never believe sellers about service history.

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Sorry I just noted it was an old thread... well at least the info is updated.