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1939 Omega 17j Unknown Cal Issued? Military Watch, Questions?? All Original?

  1. brustlhr Sep 25, 2012

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    Hi,
    I have a 1939 omega military watch,
    was wondering from the back of case if the numbers ard case nos. or military numbers,
    there is faint writing on back including hand engraved name and date.
    as well as the numbers, 9964260,
    serial of movement is 9520944, does anybody know the cal.?? the watch measures 35.85mm top of lug to bottom of lug and 28.46 diameter w/o crown,inside of case only has jewelers marks and the number 983 please see pictures.
    thank you in advance
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  2. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 26, 2012

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    The movement calibre should be engraved in the plate under the balance, did you just buy this watch or have you had it a long time?
     
  3. brustlhr Sep 26, 2012

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    had it for a while "time" to sell!
    just do not know how much!
     
  4. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Sep 26, 2012

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  5. chiko7734 Sep 26, 2012

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    Looks like a few movement screw are missing
     
  6. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Sep 26, 2012

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    Omega made movements to fit into different cases, some movements had larger dials and install from the front via the crystal side. It requires those two case crews to hold it in place like this one

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    some militaries did not need them because there was a retaining ring doing the job

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  7. chiko7734 Sep 26, 2012

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    Cool. Great info! You learn something new every day :)
     
  8. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Sep 26, 2012

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    Watch was probably not issued as a military watch. More likely, it was a soldier's personal watch which may have even been intentionally redialled for military use.

    No clue of value, but these are not greatly valuable in that condition,
    gatorcpa
     
  9. brustlhr Sep 26, 2012

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    thank you!
     
  10. brustlhr Sep 26, 2012

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    I did some looking and searching for this Omega. I have some info that comes from the company, some from collectors books, and some learned info from experience.
    The watch was likely made in the grey years just before, or during WW2. According to the serial number on the movement , id say it was made in 1938-39. This is approximate due to old time records keeping.
    Your watch case was made FOR Omega at roughly the same time period. It could be that the watch was purchased for a man in the military , and the numbers were engraved on the back by a jeweler . This was fairly common for well to do gentlemen in the military , especially in Europe.

    Mechanically the watch movement is lovely looking, . Its VERY similar to Hamiltons and Bulovas movements from the same period. It looks to me like a Caliber 230 , made by Omega. This would be written on the movement, likely under the Balance near the balance wheel area. It has a add on Center seconds wheel {on top of the movement} They were done that way as an afterthought addition to a standard movement that normally came with a aux seconds hand set at 6 o clock. The Military preferred a sweep seconds set up, and by 1944 , most watches had to be equipped like that.

    I found a 15 jewel version very similar to your watch in a collectors book. It was in a similar case , though only had a aux seconds movement . It was stated as coming from English military. It did NOT give an example of the military writing on its back , for comparison. That watch was valued at $275.00 in working used condition , and as much as $750.00 in near mint condition.
    the watch is in good to great used condition, if it were gently cleaned and polished. Id guess a good retail price for you watch , if sold at auction , might fetch as much as 500 dollars. Sold in a store setting like a pawn shop, it would sell for roughly 300 to 400 dollars.
     
  11. brustlhr Sep 26, 2012

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    cal is 23.4sc1
     
  12. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 26, 2012

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    Part of your problem is its just too small, at 28mm diameter its ladies size, but ladies won't touch it because its not cute. Back in '39 28mm was fine on a man but today its way under acceptable.
     
  13. brustlhr Sep 26, 2012

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    I was wearing it today with a wide strap and it looks great! take a look!
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  14. adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 27, 2012

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    Obviously you do not collect '20-'40s watches! ;)

    These are all 28-30 mm across:

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    And from the early '50s:

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  15. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 27, 2012

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    Sweet watches Adam, you ever make it over Minneapolis way?
     
  16. brustlhr Sep 27, 2012

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    well I do sell a lot of them!
    in fact I just sold two lexingtons last month!
    you do not like the strap?
     
  17. adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 27, 2012

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    No, I was replying to Ash's comment that 28mm is way too small for a man to wear nowadays.
     
  18. brustlhr Sep 27, 2012

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    oh whoops!
     
  19. brustlhr Sep 27, 2012

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    i need to take better pics yours are great I am a bit shaky in my old years!
     
  20. adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 27, 2012

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    You just need to find a digital camera with Image Stabilization (IS)...:)