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167.005 - original and a fair price?

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Hi all, I have joined the omega club, the vintage one at that. I bought this 167.005 gold capped which arrives on Friday.

It was bought as my wedding watch for later this year, and a grail for me. I bought through Chrono using Escrow on a private seller. It was £1,700 plus VAT (£2,050).

A few Facebook groups reckon its a redial, others think I overpaid. Was hoping to get the thoughts of the experts while I "might" have a chance to return it.

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hoipolloi hoipolloi
They are correct. It is a redial snd you overpaid.
Thank you, can you give any guidance on how to tell please?

What would be the price of this with original dial vs redial, am I way off?
 
hoipolloi
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Calluminati Calluminati
Thank you, can you give any guidance on how to tell please?

What would be the price of this with original dial vs redial, am I way off?
How to tell? After you looked at thousands of them then you can tell in a few seconds.
Original dial and redial are about $1000 different in price. (167.005 gold capped)
 
Calluminati
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hoipolloi hoipolloi
How to tell? After you looked at thousands of them then you can tell in a few seconds.
Original dial and redial are about $1000 different in price. (167.005 gold capped)
Thank you, I appreciate the help.

Let's hope I am lucky with Chrono
 
chrisinohio
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I feel like after looking at dials for thirty years you just know because it's "off". Although your pics don't come through sharp, it it easy to tell that the redialer used a font that doesn't have the correct serifs and the ink application itself is too thick.

With an original dial, it would have been a fair price, but not great.

Hopefully you can return it if you desire.

Good luck.

Chris
 
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I feel like after looking at dials for thirty years you just know because it's "off". Although your pics don't come through shark, it it easy to tell that the redialer used a font that doesn't have the correct serif font and the ink application itself is too thick.

With an original dial, it would have been a fair price, but not great.

Hopefully you can return it if you desire.

Good luck.

Chris
Thanks Chris,

I rushed into it thinking it was a reasonable price for an original dial with crown and a recent service. Definitely jumped the gun. I'll wear it regardless, but don't feel like paying 30% - 40% more than I should.

Fingers crossed and I'll start the hunt again.
 
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hoipolloi hoipolloi
How to tell? After you looked at thousands of them then you can tell in a few seconds.
Original dial and redial are about $1000 different in price. (167.005 gold capped)
I think you are being a bit kind there @hoipolloi.
GBP£2,050 paid.
Pie pans are selling at a premium but that is for correct ones.
Redial, really quite soft case, wrong seconds hand (and possibly minute/hours hands?) replacement crown.
This has to be valued at less than GBP£1,000.
 
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Calluminati Calluminati
Thanks Chris,

I rushed into it thinking it was a reasonable price for an original dial with crown and a recent service. Definitely jumped the gun. I'll wear it regardless, but don't feel like paying 30% - 40% more than I should.

Fingers crossed and I'll start the hunt again.
Don't feel bad. When I first started in vintage I was an absolute nimrod and made much worse mistakes, the worst being a vintage Vacheron with a counterfeit case.

Chris
 
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Calluminati Calluminati
Thank you, can you give any guidance on how to tell please?

What would be the price of this with original dial vs redial, am I way off?
welcome @Calluminati

Firstly, congratulations on having good taste.
Secondly, commiserations on buying a bit of a dog.

Regarding how to tell it is a redial (even from your blurry pics):
The minute and hours haches are too 'blobby' and not located correctly.
The printing looks too thick and the font is incorrect.
But the main 'tell' is the spelling of chronometer - a dogleg will never have the French spelling 'chronometre'.

Return the watch if you can - if it was described as all original you should have a good chance of success.

-and check in here first before you buy another Constellation.

(BTW if your lap top is anything like a Mac, I wouldn't put your watch on it unless you want it magnetised)
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
welcome @Calluminati

Firstly, congratulations on having good taste.
Secondly, commiserations on buying a bit of a dog.

Regarding how to tell it is a redial (even from your blurry pics):
The minute and hours haches are too 'blobby' and not located correctly.
The printing looks too thick and the font is incorrect.
But the main 'tell' is the spelling of chronometer - a dogleg will never have the French spelling 'chronometre'.

Return the watch if you can - if it was described as all original you should have a good chance of success.

-and check in here first before you buy another Constellation.

(BTW if your lap top is anything like a Mac, I wouldn't put your watch on it unless you want it magnetised)
Thank you, makes me feel a little less swindled!

I have messages stating original after purchase but the listing did not. This is my only worry regarding return.

All very useful information, if all goes to plan I'll be posting some new examples soon enough.
 
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Calluminati Calluminati
if all goes to plan I'll be posting some new examples soon enough.
Preferably before purchase…. 😉
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
welcome @Calluminati

Firstly, congratulations on having good taste.
Secondly, commiserations on buying a bit of a dog.

Regarding how to tell it is a redial (even from your blurry pics):
The minute and hours haches are too 'blobby' and not located correctly.
The printing looks too thick and the font is incorrect.
But the main 'tell' is the spelling of chronometer - a dogleg will never have the French spelling 'chronometre'.

Return the watch if you can - if it was described as all original you should have a good chance of success.

-and check in here first before you buy another Constellation.

(BTW if your lap top is anything like a Mac, I wouldn't put your watch on it unless you want it magnetised)
Oh, I completely missed the French spelling. Yes, I've never seen that on this ref, but it's standard on the old 30T2 RG's.
 
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Oh, I completely missed the French spelling. Yes, I've never seen that on this ref, but it's standard on the old 30T2 RG's.
its standard on Constellations too up until circa 1958.
but 167.005s were first released in 1962 (but not really seen until 1963)

even the predecessors 14900 & 14902 were only released in 1960 - that's why you will never see a dogleg with 'chronometre' (unless it is a redial)
 
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
its standard on Constellations too up until circa 1958.
but 167.005s were first released in 1962 (but not really seen until 1963)

even the predecessors 14900 & 14902 were only released in 1960 - that's why you will never see a dogleg with 'chronometre' (unless it is a redial)
Thanks for this. The learning never ends.
 
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I think you are being a bit kind there @hoipolloi.
I added $300 for the cross hair.
167.005 with cross hair are red hot, you know.
 
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I added $300 for the cross hair.
167.005 with cross hair are red hot, you know.
probably why somebody drew it on the watch face.....😉
 
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for piepans, easy way to tell a redial is the lack of sharpness of the edges of piepan lines itself. Redials are mostly rounded edges and loss of sharp lines which is very hard to reproduce or replicate the original.
 
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Here's the real deal below. This is a very good example and one like this is very difficult to find. However, you can study these photos carefully and compare a good one vs. the redial that you purchased. If you are able to return your watch, it's a good idea to ask some of the OF members about a watch that you are thinking about buying BEFORE you take the plunge. There are a lot of good members here who will help you to learn. And don't feel bad. Almost all of us at one time or another has purchased a redial. It's part of your learning. Good luck.
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