13''' Fontainemelon Movement ID for balance staff

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Hi all,

I'm working on a Lancet trench watch with a 13 ligne, 7-jewel "Godat" signed Fontainemelon movement for a friend of mine, and am having a really tough time ID'ing the movement to attempt to find a replacement balance staff (and yes, I know this movement is unlikely break any timekeeping records- I'd just love to give him something running from the WW1 era, in which he has a lot of interest).

As you can see, the movement has the "arrow in apple" stamp seen on other Font movements of the era, but the click setup and keyless works are very different from the 13''' Font movements I've seen on eBay. I do have a couple of leads though:

First is this Lancet with a very similar 13''' movement, with same click and keyless works setup, but different bridge arrangement - also signed "Godat": https://www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/1520-trench-watch-help/

Second is this cool covered trench watch that recently sold on eBay, which appears to share the exact same movement, as far as I can tell from the pics provided: https://www.ebay.com/itm/387075343297

I did take a gamble on a cheap donor Fontainemelon movement similar to the first two examples on this page: https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/movements.php#fontainemelon1. Unfortunately, while the staff height was very close, the diameter was too narrow to seat the roller table for my movement.

Anyhow, if anyone is able to ID this movement, or has suggestions re. resources to explore, I'd really appreciate it!

Thanks,
Juergen

 
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If you have the Bestfit books, using the setting parts to identify is likely the best way.
 
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If you have the Bestfit books, using the setting parts to identify is likely the best way.
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately this movement predates most of the reference examples in the Bestfit catalogs I have access to.
 
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My mentors stressed that the basic skill was to turn a staff for older watches. One could not call themselves "Watchmaker" till they turned a staff.

There was a story about a drunken watchmaker, who would ask for three horse shoe nails and some street sweeper bristles. Using the hair on his head, he would use one bristle to make a bow, The other sharpened as a graver. Driving the 3 nails into the table he would make a simple lathe and turn a perfect staff. Then use the proceeds to go on another drinking binge.

Ranfft had all the parametric placement searches automated. Sadly the successors did not see the value in this. Some of it still sort of exists. I figured out some tricks on archive.org to hand edit the URL and guess caliber references. There were over 10,000 captures. Simple searches only return a few 100 results.

Still think this would be a good use for AI. The catalogs have been scanned. Mostly it is training time. My feeling is that polar coordinates would work better than Cartesian coordinates. But that would be a post of a different domain dimension ...
 
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Love the drunken watchmaker story! Unfortunately, a proper lathe is not a possibility in my small Boston apt - fiance & landlord would be out for blood - lol.

A real shame about Ranfft’s current state. As you note, using AI to recover and preserve some of this legacy movement information would be one of the more noble uses of the technology.

Appreciate the response,
Juergen