105.004-64 at Kaplans Auction - Redial right?

Skrotis · Dec 27, 2019

skand
It's not the same watch

Sorry for my bad english i dont belive its the same watch.

I tryed to say that i never seen this dial before and when 2 shows up in a short time trough the same people i find it intresting.

If your watchmaker has a possebillity to take a photo of the backside of the dial it could be a good Idea.

if you look at numbers 53 and 119 it says a lot about the quality of this auction

jeppehh · Dec 27, 2019

airansun
@skand :

Could provide a good, high resolution photo of the dial?

Thanks! 😉

The auction photos are still up if you missed them. I understand if even better photos are required.
https://www.kaplans.se/en/auktioner...erral,referral&utm_campaign=barnebys,barnebys

skand · Dec 27, 2019

The watchmaker, who repairs the clock, assessed it as original, not corrected.

airansun · Dec 27, 2019

jeppehh
The auction photos are still up if you missed them. I understand if even better photos are required.
https://www.kaplans.se/en/auktioner/3628/vara/1588251?ref=bb,bb&utm_source=barnebys,barnebys&utm_medium=referral,referral&utm_campaign=barnebys,barnebys

Yeah...

I’d fire the photographer and the staff that put together the online catalog. To me, such an auction listing photo is either driven by laziness/stupidity or by greed. I don’t often repeat the ‘buyer the buyer’ mantra, but here it bears repeating. 📖

We’re not talking about some private party eBay listing. This is a commercial auction house. 🤪

I apologize for the rant. 🫨 I just get tired of looking at shitty photographs of questionable watches, particularly from people who should know better. :whipped:

(This is not in any way directed at the OP or purchaser, just the auction house that thought these photos did justice to a maybe $3,000 watch. Are they insulting the watch, their customers or themselves?)

I have about a dozen 321 Seamasters, either 105.001s, 105.005s or 145.005s, so I’ve followed this thread with some interest. While I still have reservations, I think it entirely possible the dial is legitimate—but I’ve held back, waiting for photos that did justice to the subject. 🍿

So, while waiting for a better resolution, I’ll just blow off some steam. ☕

::stirthepot::

skand · Dec 28, 2019

I asked the watchmaker to take clear pictures without glass. He promised to send next week. The watchmaker is not an expert, so thank you very much for your interest in this subject.

vienna · Dec 28, 2019

I am absolutely no expert on these dials but what bothers me most, based on this head on shot, is that the dial appears to be not straight, but turned to the right for a few degrees.

But maybe the angle of the shot. Still a nice watch.

skand · Dec 28, 2019

I think the whole watch is tilted to the right.

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GTveloce · Dec 28, 2019

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vienna
But maybe the angle of the shot.

The photograph isn't perfectly straight, it's very slightly canted to the right and down.

MRC · Dec 28, 2019

GTveloce
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The photograph isn't perfectly straight, it's very slightly canted to the right and down.

Once that is corrected it looks a lot better (baring minor glitches from the transformation).

jeppehh · Dec 28, 2019

MRC
Once that is corrected it looks a lot better (baring minor glitches from the transformation).

My concern is still regarding the Seamaster font. Don’t understand why they would use two different fonts for the exact same reference. That being said weirder things have happened.

Looking forward to @airansun and others opinions once a good picture of the dial appears. My fingers are crossed for you @skand.

skand · Jan 2, 2020

Hooray ,I got p

ictures from the watchmaker !

skand · Jan 2, 2020

I have more pictures . The watchmaker said the Watch is in great condition.

Dr No · Jan 2, 2020

skand
I have more pictures . The watchmaker said the Watch is in great condition.

You have nothing to worry about. Great score!

Art

mac_omega · Jan 2, 2020

IMO you have done well - nice catch. The dial looks fine to me...

skand · Jan 2, 2020

Thank you all for your commitment and a good word. Happy Year 2020

ilayd · Jan 2, 2020

If that dial is redone, I'd want to meet the person who did it, because they've got a steady hand. Im only being facetious because I doubt its been redialed. Also, the auction house probably lost out on some extra cash due to their terrible photo skills. The watch looks to be in such better shape judging by the watchmaker's photos compared to the auction house.

Finally, great score @skand, looks like your last minute bid may have gotten you a beautiful piece for a very reasonable price.

airansun · Jan 3, 2020

Yeah, that dial is fine. My earlier comments about the photographer, turns out, were on point.

airansun
I’d fire the photographer and the staff that put together the online catalog. To me, such an auction listing photo is either driven by laziness/stupidity or by greed. ... We’re not talking about some private party eBay listing. This is a commercial auction house.

Congratulations @skand ! You won the gamble this time!

skand · Jan 3, 2020

Thank you ! Thank you! I had a feeling this could be a beautiful watch. That's what it looks like now, after visiting the watchmaker.

duffy7 · Jan 3, 2020

👍👍👍 i like the final result 👍👍👍

jeppehh · Jan 5, 2020

What a stunner! Happy it turned out well for you @skand

And since the pros are here: With regards to the differences in the Seamaster font on the same sub-ref, could this be due to different dial manufacturers or is the another sensible explanation? Curious to know.