105.004-64 at Kaplans Auction - Redial right?

jeppehh · Oct 25, 2019

Hi all

Kaplans usually discloses in their auction details if a dial has been refinished. This is not the case with this one.

To me the font looks off, but for learning purposes I would love a second opinion. Am I right in believing this is a redial?

https://www.kaplans.se/en/auktioner...erral,referral&utm_campaign=barnebys,barnebys

Onward and upward,
Jeppe

Risto · Oct 25, 2019

Here is one that looks like original, too:
https://www.shucktheoyster.com/omega-vintage-seamaster-chronograph-105-004-64/

And when I check my Omega Seamaster book, then the first script seems correct.
S, e, m, s, r

jeppehh · Oct 25, 2019

Yes. It was primarily the angled e's that were the main giveaway for me.

So I take it you also suspect that the Auction example is refinished?

skand · Nov 17, 2019

Hi
I bought this watch and I also wonder if it was refinishet

jeppehh · Nov 17, 2019

Hi @skand

Did you see this thread before bidding?

The watch went for 3k Euro (incl. fees) which is the amount one would expect to pay for an original one, I would say.

If the dial hasn’t been refinished I think you did alright. If it has, I think you overpaid.

Would also love to get some other perspectives on the originality of the dial.

duffy7 · Nov 17, 2019

I was bidding on this watch too but I have to admit that I was not aware that it might be a redial.
The font is different but didn't Omega change the font style in this time period from time to time?

skand
Hi
I bought this watch and I also wonder if it was refinishet

Congrats on winning the auction - I did not bid till the end as it went too high for my budget.

jeppehh · Nov 17, 2019

duffy7
The font is different but didn't Omega change the font style in this time period from time to time?

Yes there are a number of variations, but if you compare with similar references it's slighly different.

Also with these different variations, I still haven't seen any with the 'straight' e's from the auction example.

But I know enough about Omega dial variations now, to know, that I don't know enough, to be definitive about anything.

skand · Nov 17, 2019

I haven't seen this thread before. I wanted to have a watch with this verk 321. The auction took place yesterday, my watch has not arrived yet. The dial is not repaired. I bought spontaneously, now I know coldly that I have given too much. Thank you for your interest in the topic

jeppehh · Nov 17, 2019

skand
I haven't seen this thread before. I wanted to have a watch with this verk 321. The auction took place yesterday, my watch has not arrived yet. The dial is not repaired. I bought spontaneously, now I know coldly that I have given too much. Thank you for your interest in the topic

It's always good to do some research before purchasing. But luckily there is a 14 days return policy when you buy from online auctions in EU, so if you don't like it, you can return it.

skand · Nov 17, 2019

I know that I can turn watch within 14 days, but I want to have one and the damage is to return. Repair will not be expensive, already checked. The condition of the watch looks great, only if it was not intrusive?

skand · Dec 24, 2019

I found a similar watch at another auction !!!

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/fine-timepieces-online-l18057/lot.6.html

duffy7 · Dec 24, 2019

skand
I found a similar watch at another auction !!!

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/fine-timepieces-online-l18057/lot.6.html

As the one from Sothebys is also one without Tachymeter it is likely that there is a different font style for those. (that is just an assumption)

Did you get your chrono fixed?

skand · Dec 24, 2019

It would be an excellent Christmas gift if it turned out that the watch is not being refurbished. Currently it is in repair and service. I will take pictures after returning and place here. Thank you again!

OMEGuy · Dec 26, 2019

I'm convinced that the dial of the Kaplans watch is correct and has not been refinished. Both of the discussed versions are legit IMO.

GTveloce · Dec 26, 2019

I just don't know what to believe anymore with these things and it's honestly putting me off buying any more vintage.

The subdial fonts in all three examples given are so inconsistent... and by that I mean from subdial to subdial within each example!

So is this inconsistency considered normal for an original dial?

Whatever the case... beautiful piece and I hope you enjoy your purchase! 😀

AJF · Dec 27, 2019

I actually bid on this watch (for a friend, albeit) and we discussed it quite a bit. Concencus among us two (and a couple more) was that the dial was correct.
I would say good purchase, nice watch!

Skrotis · Dec 27, 2019

Its a interesting dial, Southerbys omega expert used to work for kaplans so there is a connection betwen the 2 watches that surfaced.
Would be interesting whit a photo on the backside of the dial.

skand · Dec 27, 2019

It's not the same watch

airansun · Dec 27, 2019

@skand :

Could provide a good, high resolution photo of the dial?

Thanks! 😉

skand · Dec 27, 2019

The watch is in repair, it will be back in two weeks, then I will deliver the pictures of better quality. Currently I have only these.