On an off note -
@stefan how many NOS Omega's do you currently own? Did you make a thread with pics?

Nothing like seeing true nos timepieces!
Pinzon

 

I have a few , the nos 176.005 thread is on the forum

 

The thing is guys, I have only seen one other dial like this (a picture on the web) and so have nothing concrete to compare it to. I don't know about the Guy in New York, but the auction houses in London don't really have any in depth knowledge, their watch specialists have a lot less knowledge that one would hope. Most of it is bravado.. They rely on others, and keeping your watch for weeks before a sale, and those others never have as much credence as Omega or Rolex anyway.

If e get into "s is iffy" or the "24" gives me issues il have to say again that actually it's been back to omega this month. They said it's an original dial to the case.

Shall we get into the "it's an iffy O" for a Rolex sub?? It doesn't really stand up.

 

Just wanted to clarify that I have sent vintage watches to Omega (to Bienne so really to Omega, not a service centre like STS) that had refinished dials on them, and the redial was not even mentioned by Omega. There was no requirement to replace the dial or anything like that.

Saying that it has gone to Omega (actually to a service centre not owned by Omega as I understand it) and since they didn't demand that the dial is replaced somehow proves its original is not really any proof at all.

An extract from the archives might be a good idea.

Cheers, Al

PS that 24 looks iffy to me as well.

 

As @Archer has said and as you @jrpippen have commented on, mistakes occur and not everyone at these stations is an Omega vintage specialist with knowledge of all the correct dials for every transitional period.

These service repair centers are well trained and credited people in repairs but vintage pieces are tough. Some pieces were not documented well - even by the original manufacturers themselves. Secondly, no one is perfect and there is a chance the Omega specialist was incorrect in his comment. I have moved hundreds of timepieces, the occasional WELL DONE re dials come through, it's inevitable in large quantities to fall for good examples.

Too many concerns have been brought up.
If you showed me a Rolex retailed by Tiffany & Co and the "O" looks weird in any way, trust me, I would spend many hours to verify before making commitments to purchase or sell. (Especially if I'm spending 10k+) Additionally as a potential seller for this piece you should not pass this as original by the word of one individual. Acquiring Archive documentation from Omega before the sale would be beneficial to you and the buyer. If the dial is original and rare this piece could be worth much much more than current market values. I personally would love for it to be real - it would mean I would have the chance to see this beaut (and possibly bid for buying rights).

You should address that 24, the different boldish font, lack of lume & any patina (if all the lume is gone it means someone either took it off or it faded. Without any patina on the dial I doubt it faded. Look at the dark spots where the lume should be and you'll see a little black dot. It looks to have been taken off.) I'm not a specialist on this period of Seamaster's/Speedmaster's but with concerns like these, take time to look into it and do not dismiss concerns.

When presenting a timepiece for a fair amount of money you should bring evidence to support your claim on its originality. If a few of us had immediate concerns then potential buyers should too, best of luck.
Pinzon

 

Actually what STS says, according to the information presented here, is that they have seen this dial before. To me, they are simply stating observations, not confirming authenticity. As has been said, STS are a service contractor to Omega, and while they have very experienced technicians, I do not think they are in a position to offer a certainty on the subject, and indeed I think it is unfair to expect them to, or to attribute a confirmation to them, based on what I have read in this thread that they have said.

I accept STS has seen this style of dial before, and that nothing suggests to them it is incorrect - but I would like to hear from other sources before accepting this dial as original.

I speak as someone that hopes very much to have this dial proved as original.

It is a very interesting debate.

 

There has to be an authentication service house in London, has to. Aaron Faberdoes not work for auction houses, he has a store and has been providing this service for years . Google him. Auction houses and insurance companies accept his certification. He supposedly verifies all parts etc and correlates the serials with the house archives etc. I am sure there is a private service in London. But again, as were all saying, it it's real, it's very rare, and with that comes added value and bragging rights. So there are two good reasons to get it authenticated. One, obviously, to see if t's authentic. 2 to assert its value, or lack there of.

 

Not sure if this is the source of this watch, but it seems to be the same "prototype", note the origin of Romania as well as flaky info and conclusion about "prototype": http://www.ebay.com/itm/261501131239Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network.

Two more iffy points on this dial: No index for the 9 o'clock and no 45 chrono minute label - which, from all I've seen, is present on all the dials for all models with the 1040 movement. Of course, I've never seen a true prototype dial for this movement yet, but the quality of the OP's dial doesn't seem to be up to Omega's standard on vintage dials, prototype or not.

 

I must say that I´m stunned to read the speculations in this thread, about OP´s watch being all other things than what it obviously is, a really sloppy redial... I cannot see anything interesting in it at all, and besides a sloppy redial, a really mediocre case job too.

Just look at the details, compared with Stefan´s NOS specimen:

 

That watch is new old stock. Mine had been used for 40 years! Let's not get offensive marturx.

If it was a "real sloppy redial" why would an "omega credited service centre@ and the accepted vintage service centre for omega in the UK (where there are thousands of vintage omegas) not say anything about it.

Let's not get into mud slinging. It's just rude.

In the UK, when you send a watch to the Omega service centre, (where all ADs send the watches for service) if they are vintage they go to STS. They then come back to the AD with the correct omega paperwork. You can own a Mercedes franchise, your not actually Mercedes but your repairs all carry a Mercedes warranty. Your customers expect Mercedes customer service and when someone drives in a merc 500SEL with a fake engine, you would refuse to work on it or at least, refuse to give a merc warranty when it's fixed.

 

Jrpippen How long have you had this watch. Since new?

Look very carefully and you will see that the 20 to 40 markers have been put on upside down

 

It belonged to a friend since new yes. I've owned it for 10 years, but not used it for the last 7 or so.

 

Isn't it the same as the one from Romania I linked to above?

 

It looks very similar, that was the picture I found of one that looked similar. I can't see whether it's marked Speedmaster or Seamaster though.

A friend sold it to me years ago, it had been in his family since new according to him. No reason for him to lie. It was before my real watch problem began!!

Neither myself or the previous owner lives in Romania though! [emoji122]

 

I think it's exactly the same, including hands, missing 45 and flat subdial.

 

Hands arrangement, before your recent change, doesn't follow Omega's convention either, besides the weird dial. I don't think anyone would take this watch seriously, except those who can take your money.

 

TNT what are you saying, how can the watch have been in Romania when it was at STS and before that in possession for ten years?

Maybe , just maybe, there is another out there the same.

Again, are you more qualified than the Omega STS specialist and are you into calling people you don't know liars? It's a little aggressive isn't it?

If your just saying there was one exactly the same in Romania then I agree. Although I cant see if it's a speedy or a Seamaster.

 

I'm certain that "STS specialists" are not qualified to authenticate an original or prototype dial.

Maybe, or maybe not, the duck is just the duck. You're selling the watch, it's your responsibility to prove it's originality, not questioning the credibility of those who have questions on your questionable watch.

 

So actually, you don't know anything and are just spouting off rubbish and repeating things stated far more gentlemanly by others earlier in the thread.

STS absolutely are qualified to authenticate. Call them and ask. What makes you Cirtain? Your vast and superior knowledge to Omegas representatives ?? Come on.

It has a two year omega warranty, having been serviced by them last month. It's authentic. My investigations are motivated by finding out just how rare this dial is.

 

20 to 40 markers upside down has done it for me sorry but redial