Outstanding watches!!

 

It is very difficult to find information about this brand .. can someone tell me more about my watches?

 

Yes.

 

First one is a very early CH27.

The last one is gorgeous. Lemania is the most understated brand of all if you ask me.

 

fully agree, but about zenith or omega you can buy a lot of books but about lemania...zero

the second one was done for Wakmann? => wakmann on the dial and WOG "Breitling Swiss House Code" on the mov.

 

Can you confirm if there are numbers on the inside of the case lid?

 

Breitling was only involved with Wakman at a much later and quite short time.

 

in two weeks - is on the way to me

 

It is actually a 1270 caliber. Ch27 is a column wheel design.

 

I have a very similar watch to the second one in your post...




I believe your's is also a cal. 1275 with Kif shock protection dating it to ~1955.

Stewart H may be able to shed more light on this.

 

what is the case ref?

 

I'm not sure...i was told that this was a 9337 chronograph but the inside of the case back says...


It is certainly a different case (mine is 39mm) than OP watch but movement looks identical, although I'm not an expert by any means...how similar were the 1270, 1275 & 1276?

 

From Ranfft:
family:
1270: no shock protection
1275: Kif shock protection
1276, Incabloc
1277: like 1276, but new minute counter jumper
1280: hour counter, Incabloc
1281: like 1280, but new minute counter jumper

253 is your case reference. Lemania had two main series of chronographs for the civilian markets:
"DeLuxe" chronographs using the CH27 column wheel design (aka Omega 320/321) and the 105/Sports series using the 127x cam operated movements.

The ref 253, and the OP both belongs to this category. Ref 253:




The DeLuxe series are described as follows:

 

The 21J automatic in the OP is a caliber 3615. This is a fairly uncommon movement. It is an automatic version of the caliber 3000 (de luxe finish) with date. The caliber 3000 again was based on the caliber S27. This again was the base movement also used when they created the CH27 (aka Omega 320/321).
It is not very easy to see similarities if you compare the 21J automatic caliber 3615 and a caliber CH27/321 chronograph, but one distinct family feature is the "catch device for hairspring" as termed by Ranfft.


This is only found on this family of Lemania movements (and a communist copy made in the Czech Republic during the cold war) to my knowledge.

• Lemania S27 17 jewels, Breguet spiral – Listed by Ranfft as “base calibre for the 27mm chronographs from Lemania and Omega”
• Lemania S27T1 17 jewels, Breguet spiral – Prepared for date feature.
• Lemania DS27 17 jewels, Breguet spiral – With date feature.
• Lemania 2990 17 jewels, Breguet spiral – Same as DS27
• Lemania CH27 17 jewels (caliber 2310, Breguet spiral – Same as Omega 320)
• Lemania CH27 C12 17 jewels, (caliber 2320, Breguet spiral – Same as Omega 321)
• Omega 27 Chro T1 PC AM 17 jewels (caliber 320: 2 register chronograph, Breguet spiral)
• Omega 27 Chro C12 T2 PC AM 17 jewels (caliber 321: 3 register chronograph, Breguet spiral)
• Omega 27 D PC AM 17 jewels, Breguet spiral (caliber 380 – never in serial production). Same as Lemania 3300.
• Omega 27 DL PC AM 17 jewels (caliber 381 – Cosmic Moon Phase, Breguet spiral)
• Lemania D27 17 jewels – Equivalent to Omega 380, Breguet spiral (See Lemania 3300).
• Lemania 3000: sub second, 17 jewels, Breguet spiral.
• Lemania 3010: sub second, 21 jewels, Breguet spiral.
• Lemania 3015: sub second, date, 17 jewels, Breguet spiral.
• Lemania 3040: sub second, 21 jewels, Breguet spiral, glucydur balance.
• Lemania 3050: sweep second, 15/17 jewels, Breguet spiral.
• Lemania 3060: sweep second, bridge over center second drive, 17 jewels, Breguet spiral.
• Lemania 3064: sweep second, bridge over center second drive, 23 jewels, Adjusted and Decorated, Breguet spiral
  
• Lemania 3065: sweep second, bridge over center second drive, date, 17 jewels, Breguet spiral.

• Lemania 3100, 3110: sub second, 17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3150: sweep second, 15/17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3160: sweep second, bridge over center second drive, 15/17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3170: sweep second, bridge over center second drive, 15/17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3300: sub second, calendar: day, date, month, 17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3535: sweep second, 15/17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3540: sweep second, bridge over center second drive, 15/17 jewels flat hairspring
• Lemania 3600: Automatic version of caliber 3000, sub second. 17/21 jewels, Breguet spiral
• Lemania 3610: Automatic version of caliber 3060, sweep seconds. 17/21 jewels, Breguet spiral
• Lemania 3615: Automatic version of caliber 3060, sweep seconds. 17/21 jewels, Breguet spiral, Date function.

 

Here are a couple of Lemania from my collection. Firstly, the Lemania HS9 and secondly, the Lemania WWW (1945).

 

How can you know that the first one has the 1279 and not the CH27 when we can't see the movement?

 

Lemania would normally use the crown symbol over the logo on the dial to indicate the highest quality movements.

 

Thanks, that's useful information.

 

In all official Lemania publications I have seen this is the case. I tend to think watches not correct according to this are later re dials or Franken.
In the 50s this was consequently used according to written sources.

 

and inside...some idiot had a fun ...but it could be worse