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Zenith from the new Phillips sale

  1. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Oct 5, 2016

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  2. ELV web

    ELV web Oct 5, 2016

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    Nice serviced dial from 386.... Really????
     
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  3. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Oct 5, 2016

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    Bingo - Service dial from more than 30 years after claimed date of sale, stuffed into a G381 case, with incorrect subdial hands. AND they got an extract of the archives, which of course is for the case only, which is that of a bog-standard G381.

    Some pretty basic errors here...
     
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  4. ELV web

    ELV web Oct 5, 2016

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  5. Mlafra

    Mlafra Oct 5, 2016

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    Wow!! this is bad!! very very very bad! I mean, really bad! That the dial not only is service and much later but also mounted on the WRONG reference! And you know the absolutely worst thing: someone made that spotting in the subdials on purpose to make the dial look old instead of new!! I am actually speachless
     
  6. jordn

    jordn Wants to be called Frank for some odd reason Oct 5, 2016

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    Amateur hour ::facepalm1::

    Franken = Extremely rare. What is this, eBay?
     
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  7. plexyforever

    plexyforever Oct 5, 2016

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    Interesting ... they have changed the white metal indexes with the golden ones: perfect work!
    Anyway, could you imagine Zenith producing such a beauty in the late sixties?
    Gold case and tricolor subdials, love it.

    PS: the tachimetre scale looks wright and not service
     
  8. wristpirate

    wristpirate Oct 5, 2016

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    Along with the other catalogue of errors, dare I say it is the crown wrong?
     
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  9. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Oct 5, 2016

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    That's the most intriguing detail, the only thing that suggests it is not just a slapdash franken. Someone has taken care to do that. But it does not negate that this is a modern service dial.

    We will see if Phillips pulls the watch or alters the listing once they become aware of the error, or whether they decide to go "full-Antiquorum" and brass it out.
     
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  10. khmt2

    khmt2 Oct 5, 2016

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    Wouldn't say it's perfect - the gold / tarnish on the indices seems to be fading away in the closeup
     
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  11. plexyforever

    plexyforever Oct 5, 2016

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    I was meaning they paid attention to that particular (matching indices with case and hands) not they did a good work.
     
  12. MMMD

    MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Oct 6, 2016

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    I wonder if it was a Zenith mother-ship (or service center) repair job.
     
  13. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed Oct 6, 2016

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    It also seems correct, that "In fact, we cannot remember ever having seen another GH 381 featuring such a dial making this an exciting watch for the fan of rare vintage chronograph watches." is really accurate, IMHO. The unitiated may well likely rely on that line .... Someone over there must know what he/she is doing

    just wow
     
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  14. m neuman

    m neuman What, me worry? Oct 8, 2016

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    Well spotted Louis. When I saw the extract, I thought they really do not know what they are committing to.
    There is also a fake IWC Portuguese in the sale at €40,000-60000.
     
  15. Syrte

    Syrte Oct 8, 2016

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    Am curious, how would one do that from a technical viewpoint? (Thanks for enlightening someone who knows nothing about technicalities, and hardly more on the rest...)
     
  16. speedmaster971

    speedmaster971 Oct 17, 2016

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    I'd be curious to know the criteria whereby Zenith has authenticated the watch..incredible. A Zenith franken watch declared as rare GH 381....
     
  17. m neuman

    m neuman What, me worry? Oct 25, 2016

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    In anycase Phillips have withdrawn the watch from the sale.
     
  18. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Oct 25, 2016

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    They and Christies are generally pretty good about things like that, unlike as LouS mentioned, some of their competitors.
     
  19. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 28, 2017

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    Well, well! Look who is trying to flog the watch now!
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZENITH-18ct...nograph-3019-PHC-Rare-A386-1969-/222425262554
    goldmiths-l500.jpg

    and check out the song and dance that goes with it:
    (from the listing) Zenith have been sent pictures of the front and back of the dial in this watch
    and have confirmed it was made by them as well as the fact that
    the G381 reference was made in very low numbers with 3 colour sub dials.
    They have suggested that the font style of the El Primero writing
    is more like that of a watch from the 1980s
    even though they did conceive that font style back in 1969/1970 for advertising.

    It is believed this watch was originally sent to Zenith
    at some time in the 1980s or 1990s for repair
    and a Service Dial replacement was fitted
    in an effort to try and keep a rare 3 Colour G381 alive.

    The Famous Tri Colour Zenith dial is normally only seen in the Steel A386
    and only a couple of other Gold pieces are known to exist featuring the 3 colour subs.
    It is extremely rare and unusual to find a Gold version of
    this legendary watch...


    So it's not a regular old G381 with a modern A386 service dial. It is actually a super rare tri-color G381s (not ever photodocumented anywhere, not even by Zenith) and Zenith went out of their way in this super-rare watch to fit a modern A386 service dial to this watch to keep that memory alive, even though no one has ever seen an original.
     
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  20. Mlafra

    Mlafra Feb 28, 2017

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    ahahahahaahahhahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahah!!!!!
    You made my day!!!
    Evening actually, about to go to bed.
    Just incredible what some people are capable of coming up with.
     
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