Zenith A385 vs A386?

pnwyankee · Sep 29, 2019

I am trying to learn as much as possible about vintage Zenith watches before deciding on a purchase that will surely become my most expensive watch to date.
I think the El Primero is a serious candidate.
Would like to know the difference between an A385 vs an A386?
Thanks

khanmu · Sep 29, 2019

Broadly, I think it’s the case and dial - the A385 has a tonneau shaped case and khaki and silver reverse panda dial. The A386 has the tri colour panda dial and the round case with flat lugs. I think they both have the same 3019phc movement...

Both are nice watches, but for me it’s the A386, just so gorgeous, and because we always need photos, here’s mine

preacher · Sep 29, 2019

Same movement but different watch, I prefer A385 because it’s more elegant.
Both watches are very difficult to find in good condition and with all original parts.

guaranteed.rohu · Sep 29, 2019

if you could only have one... the A386 is more versatile and a classic. Love it in the yellow gold

Dan S · Sep 29, 2019

There is also a massive difference in value. What would you say? An A386 is about 3x–4x the price of an A385, assuming equal condition?

CaptainWinsor · Sep 29, 2019

385 +1

pnwyankee · Sep 29, 2019

Dan S
There is also a massive difference in value. What would you say? An A386 is about 3x–4x the price of an A385, assuming equal condition?

Why the big price difference?

Dan S · Sep 29, 2019

pnwyankee
Why the big price difference?

The market makes that decision, and we can only speculate. It's probably not rarity, since similar numbers of each were originally manufactured (about 2,500). I would guess it involves the differences in colors and styles. More people prefer the classic round shape, and the white dial and tri-colored sub-dials have broad appeal. In fact, I think that the A385 might be the least-loved of the initial series. The "panda" A384 is probably a bit more desirable if conditions are equal, although the A384 dials are often badly faded.

preacher · Sep 30, 2019

The tricolour dial is a must of Zenith and so A386 is more known of A384-5.
Nowaday is difficoult to find a correct example of these watch for sale, there are lot of uncorrect crowns, forniture hands, spoiled dials, cases overpolished and so on.
In perfect conditions I think the price of A386 is 2x A385.
pnwyankee choose the one you prefer and don’t think about market and fashion!
I advise you to spend time in studing the watch you like, don’t trust in any reseller. A uncorrect part is very expensive to replace with an original on (ex crown about 1k).
Finally don’t be hurry and wait the right opportunity
Good luck

preacher · Sep 30, 2019

I complicate things .... A384

khanmu · Sep 30, 2019

The problem is once you start looking, you see all the other nice “A” range El Primero versions such as the A783. Then you come across the gold ones, and before you know it, you have no money but a nice zenith collection ...

Here’s my other one, a gold G381:

deki1908 · Sep 30, 2019

This is my A385! The beautiful dial changes colour according to the light and I can't think of any dials in the watch-world in these colours.
This reference compared to other ones seems to be less sought after by collectors and I actually like that.

Ultimately I must admit that if at the time my budget allowed me to go after an A386 (or also the A3817 or A3818 very rare) I would have gone for one of these.

As previously stated don't be in a rush, enjoy researching and reading and the right watch will come!

chronoboy64 · Sep 30, 2019

preacher
The tricolour dial is a must of Zenith and so A386 is more known of A384-5.
In perfect conditions I think the price of A386 is 2x A385.
Good luck

As @Dan S IMHO allready stated correctly the A386 is 3-4x of an A385 in collectors condtion. What do you think a perfect A385 is worth today ?
Thanks
.

Zuke · Sep 30, 2019

And to complicate things even more you have the even more rare A3817 and A3818. Both had a production run of only 1000 examples.

vujen · Sep 30, 2019

chronoboy64
As @Dan S What do you think a perfect A385 is worth today ?
Thanks
.

6k€

chronoboy64 · Sep 30, 2019

vujen
6k€

Dear @vujen´thanks a lot for your estimate on the (perfect) beautiful A385 at EUR 6k. That seems to bee quite appropriate and may be the GF ladder could also add a bit value to this dream watch

Looking at that Evaluation of the A385, the top condition A386 should indeed reach 3-4x in comparisan to the A385.

I never bought a A385 but several A386 and G381 for reference

Huge thanks and best 👍

pnwyankee · Sep 30, 2019

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses.
I would like to say, "I now have the information needed to define my search parameters and begin looking for the Zenith of my dreams".
However, as has often been the case on these forums, every question leads to ten more questions :whipped:

Here's the one that comes to mind at this point in this thread: if a fair price for a nice example of the A385 is 6,000 euros, why isn't this brand new Zenith a better idea? ( see attached picture )

Dan S · Sep 30, 2019

pnwyankee
Thanks for all the thoughtful responses.
I would like to say, "I now have the information needed to define my search parameters and begin looking for the Zenith of my dreams".
However, as has often been the case on these forums, every question leads to ten more questions

Here's the one that comes to mind at this point in this thread: if a fair price for a nice example of the A385 is 6,000 euros, why isn't this brand new Zenith a better idea? ( see attached picture )

There's no way to compare vintage to new ... apples and oranges. Buy what you want.

With Zenith, as with many brands, desirable vintage watches are significantly more expensive than new ones, including the reissues of vintage models, despite the fact that they are old, worn, and often based on inferior technology. The original vintage models are pieces of history, and rare and collectible watches, that may rise in value as the years pass (although that shouldn't be your primary reason to buy one).

pnwyankee · Sep 30, 2019

Dan S
There's no way to compare vintage to new ... apples and oranges. Buy what you want.

With Zenith, as with many brands, desirable vintage watches are significantly more expensive than new ones, including the reissues of vintage models, despite the fact that they are old, worn, and often based on inferior technology. The original vintage models are pieces of history, and rare and collectible watches, that may rise in value as the years pass (although that shouldn't be your primary reason to buy one).

I don't disagree with anything you just posted, and truth be told, typically I would agree that the vintage example is almost always more desirable. However, one of the things that makes the vintage watches so desirable is they just flat look better than their modern replacements. Looking at the modern Zenith I attached, it looks pretty much identical to it's vintage predecessor, costs less and most likely runs better.

TexOmega · Sep 30, 2019

Always a good debate, I chose this 386A because of the condition...….then condition, then the mesmerizingly 3-dimensional, tri-color subdials.

Did I mention condition? And the uniform colored, intact lume.

Mostly because of the condition, though.

The reedition dial appears too flat to me.

Zenith A385 vs A386?

pnwyankee

khanmu

preacher

guaranteed.rohu

Dan S

CaptainWinsor

pnwyankee

Dan S

preacher

preacher

khanmu

deki1908

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Zuke

vujen

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Dan S

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