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  1. drhombus24 May 2, 2018

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    So I was talking with a friend the other day, and he mentioned some “timemaster or something like that” that he got from his grandfather. He had just thrown it in a drawer and left it there for a while. I begged him to send me pics, and here they are. He thought it was completely worthless. I wish I could buy it, but I can’t afford it right now. If I were to buy it at some point, what do you think would be a fair price. Pre moon caseback is making me think it’s a 14022 69. DNN I think is the right bezel. I’ve been browsing through speedmaster101 but I was hoping I could get some evaluations from some of you.
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  2. Screwbacks May 2, 2018

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    ::love::
     
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  3. MaiLollo May 2, 2018

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    It's an applied logo with wide T swiss T dial, single bevel caseback, tall pushers and square chrono hand. This points out to 145.012-67/68 or 145.022-68.
    It's worth some money, it's a nice watch, but the bezel will be expensive to source. Papers are a very cool addition! He's a lucky guy.
    If he really is a friend of yours, I would explain to him what he has, the value of the watch and ask him if you can agree to a price that you'll pay him in the future (assuming he does not need the money). It would be a win win.
     
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  4. Noles_88 Dog costume designer extraordinaire! May 2, 2018

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    If not. I’ll buy it. Dibs. Looks good. Let him know what he has in full detail. And get the serial number with caseback reference.
     
  5. ulackfocus May 2, 2018

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    Well, stop sourcing then. Sourcing is WAY too expensive.
     
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  6. Dan S May 2, 2018

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    If I'm seeing it correctly, it's a true DNN and not a service bezel, so if you wanted to buy a correct bezel, at least you'd have something to sell to get back some of the cost.
     
  7. MaiLollo May 2, 2018

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    Depends on what you source, and what the source of your sourcing process is... Not all sources are born equal.
     
  8. abrod520 May 2, 2018

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    Very nice! Yes, best guess is it's a 145.022-68 (though could be a 145.012). Looks to have had its bezel and bracelet replaced at a mid-'70s service. The replacement parts have value of course
     
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  9. airansun In the shuffling madness May 2, 2018

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    A nice DNN bezel is maybe a little more than ten per cent the value of a nice DON bezel.

    Don’t ask me how I know.

    That is a nice watch nevertheless. Not all of them can be perfect.
     
  10. drhombus24 May 2, 2018

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    Wow, I told him 4-6k. I didn’t think it would be more. I’m going to have to save a bit longer... I’ll try to direct him to someone who can take that case back off. Now I’m really curious. Am I right in saying it’s probably a cal 861?
     
  11. repoman May 2, 2018

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    You know we can be a tough crowd here on OF given how many collector grade Speedy's get posted here, and that we forum members collective own, so with that context... This watch has issues as have been pointed out (bezel/bracelet are not original), dial plots are blotchy/unattractive, and what's with those endlinks? On the flipside, the case looks great. Everything has a price though,so if its cheap enough, there's value here, but the dial plots are huge turn off for me, I'd rather get a slightly polished case with attractive dial plots. If the owner thinks its worthless, offer $1000 and see if he goes for it.

    edit: I see you told him you thought around 4k-6k value here. doh! first rule of buying watches, don't give the owner too much rope to hang you with :D
     
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  12. airansun In the shuffling madness May 2, 2018

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    I don’t think your original estimate is far off, in light of the bezel. If the watch is really pristine, you might need to add a thousand or two.

    Of course, if better pIctures show a flawed dial, you’ll be subtracting instead of adding.
     
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  13. airansun In the shuffling madness May 2, 2018

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    What he said.
     
  14. Dan S May 2, 2018

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    That's good news for me, actually, because if I recall correctly I think I need a DNN bezel for a project. They don't show up very often on eBay so I assumed they would sell for more than $500 when they do appear.
     
  15. drhombus24 May 2, 2018

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    He’s a friend so I didn’t want to try to screw him that much. Also he was insistent on not selling it at first, but I think my estimate could possibly change his mind ;)
     
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  16. BenBagbag May 2, 2018

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    I would hate to deal with a friend. Too much guilt dealing with issues of fairness and the like. I feel like unless I paid them top dollar I couldn't live with myself. That being said...

    I always try to figure out how much to offer people who say - what would you pay? Well... How much would they get for it if they listed it on ebay with the crappy pictures they sent me? How much would they walk away with after fees? How much would they get if they listed it on craigslist? How much would they get if they'd have navigated it themselves? Maybe they would have just traded it in to a jeweler for junk (I wouldn't let a friend do this or pay them as if they were). Then... How much is the convenience of just being able to hand it over to a friend worth? I've found that an easy deal is worth a lot more than struggling to get a few hundred more. They also save time and energy. They don't have to do all the legwork with research to figure out what they have etc.

    I think we all have the right to make money off of the knowledge base we have developed using our own time and effort.

    When dealing with a friend these get a lot more murky - especially if you plan to flip it.

    Ethics...
     
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  17. drhombus24 May 2, 2018

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    Ah! The E word. I think he knows that he himself won’t be able to sell it for the numbers I told him. I offered him 3k because that’s all I can afford, but promised that I would never sell it... maybe it’ll be enough. Maybe
     
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  18. airansun In the shuffling madness May 2, 2018

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    I think I bough the most recent really nice DNN bezel on eBay. It was just under $800.

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    On the other hand, really nice DON bezels are going for $4k to 5k.

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  19. BenBagbag May 2, 2018

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    It's a shot in the dark without a movement photo... If he opens it and sees -68, serial falls in range, and all you gotta do is source an OK DON. If it is a -69, then you've got to locate a step dial and sell the -68. How many people at any given point are looking for a -68 dial? Not many, I assume... May find an even trade, may not.

    Are there other papers we're not seeing?
     
  20. drhombus24 May 2, 2018

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    Those are the only papers he has