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  1. Poday

    Poday Jul 7, 2019

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    or at least... so few? Redials seem to be everywhere when it comes to vintage constellations and Seamaster (and plenty of others), but I don’t recall ever seeing a speedmaster redial. I’m sure they’re out there, but they’re clearly less common, what’s the deal with that?
     
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  2. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jul 7, 2019

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    Very easy to source a replacement dial. Hence why you see so many later dials ( and service on 321’s) on older watches. Also the lack of complex finish and simple white printing makes them a bit more stable.

    I’ll also note singer made dials seem to hold up. Daytona, 806’s ( I think) and various other Rolex
     
  3. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jul 8, 2019

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    See my avatar
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  4. M'Bob

    M'Bob Jul 8, 2019

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    Agree with Foo: more robust surface. In contrast, the cal. 321 Seamaster chrono dials are very fragile, as well as many of the Rolex dials from the early '60's. Seems like it didn't take much on those for moisture to get under the lacquer surface, and then start to degrade.
     
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  5. Patrik83

    Patrik83 Jul 8, 2019

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    This maybe? Anyone know what this dial is?

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  6. Lbreak

    Lbreak Jul 8, 2019

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    Ah, that's some new design… I would say the dial is certainly not done by Omega
     
  7. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jul 8, 2019

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    It might be actually. You don’t see a finish like that on a redial. And it’s a singer dial.

    It might be off an early 90’s piece. Something in another range. The 861 was used a lot.
     
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  8. wsfarrell

    wsfarrell Jul 8, 2019

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  9. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jul 8, 2019

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    I think the dial is later, and not original to the watch.

    The reason I think it’s a Singer Dial is the concentric circles in the subdials. This from what I’ve seen is only found on singer made dials. I’ve seen it on Rolex, Omega and Breitling.

    I don’t think it’s a redial because of the finish.

    As you have pointed out it may be a 321... was there any 321 chronos in the 60’s with that dial?

    Notice in the link provided no concentric circles in the subdials. My money is that’s a dial from another watch brand that’s been redone.
     
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  10. Lbreak

    Lbreak Jul 8, 2019

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    Ohh interesting! I thought it is not by Omega because it's weird that it doesn't say "speedmaster" or anything else that indicates its product line.
     
  11. Patrik83

    Patrik83 Jul 9, 2019

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    Well the listing for it says that is was supplied by Omega.

    “Here we offer an unusual Speedy CK2998-6. The watch had water damage and was sent to Omega in the lates '60s to be restored. Omega fitted a plain dial made of anodised aluminium with speedmaster prints and service hands, change pushers and crown. The dial is not aftermarket or repainted but made by Omega during the refurbishment process.”

    https://www.chrono24.com/en/omega/speedmaster-ck2998-6--id11544586.htm

    IMO a quite ugly dial.
     
  12. whyboddau

    whyboddau Jul 9, 2019

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    What an interesting piece. Could they dial be for a deville? Doesn’t seem to be for a sport model.
     
  13. cristos71

    cristos71 Jul 9, 2019

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    Jeez, that sounds like a load of rubbish to me!
     
  14. Davidt

    Davidt Jul 9, 2019

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    Looking at the haphazard minute markers and the alignment of the sub-dial surround, I can’t see that being a factory Omega dial.
     
  15. Archer

    Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Jul 9, 2019

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    I agree. Since Omega had dials available why on earth would they put something like this on the watch?
     
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  16. krh7

    krh7 Jul 9, 2019

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    i wish we saw more tropical dials. every other brand's black dial fades and changes colors over time, not so much with these. must be due to the lack of water sports while wearing.
     
  17. wsfarrell

    wsfarrell Jul 9, 2019

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    I messaged the seller at chrono24. He replied (I paraphrase):
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    Previous owner found watch watch on beach in Mallorca, late 1960s, with water damage. Sent it to Omega. Came back months later as it now appears, with envelope containing replaced pushers and crown [those are included in sale]. Watch was serviced by Omega again in 1990s, no change to hands/dial. In seller's opinion, dial is not inked or painted, but anodized. AML appears genuine, and OMEGA font matches the A4 dial in Moonwatch Only (round O, short middle stroke on E). In his opinion, Omega stripped the damaged dial, anodized it, reapplied the AML, pad-printed the rest, and added the two lume pips at top.
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    Seller is an Omega collector and seems quite knowledgeable. I tend to believe him. That said, arriving at a fair price for this watch would be extremely difficult.
     
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  18. marturx

    marturx Jul 9, 2019

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    ”Speedmaster print”? Cannot see any. Dial is clearly bogus
     
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  19. Poday

    Poday Jul 9, 2019

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    Point taken
     
  20. Toishome

    Toishome Aug 14, 2019

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    This is the first redialed Speedmaster I have ever seen. Don't ask me why I bought it ::facepalm2::
     
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