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  1. Pivowar Oct 26, 2017

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    Hola,
    Had this one from my uncle when I was around 16 years old, 9 years passed since.
    Papers lost for eternity I suppose.
    How should I get started verifying its authenticy?
     
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  2. Taddyangle Convicted Invicta Wearer Oct 26, 2017

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    From an Uncle?> Say it ain't so...

    We often get folks posting watches and they want to validate authenticity. The running joke is the fakes are always from Uncles. Best to get watches from Grandpa!!
     
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  3. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Oct 26, 2017

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    WTF?? It’s an interesting fake.

    Column wheel non automatic movement. That’s not a 321. Any guesses on that movement?

    But has a reduced style dial...

    Why go to that much trouble and cheap out on the dial? When you did a display back.
     
  4. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Oct 26, 2017

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    Movement should look like this. 25C7E4E5-F23B-4BD8-BAE2-54951717FC39.png
     
  5. omegasaso12 Oct 26, 2017

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    Interesting fake. Can you tell how subdials works?

    @Foo2rama : its automatic dial layout so dont think it should look like that
     
  6. gdupree Oct 26, 2017

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    I've sat here for the last 10 minutes, thoroughly confused at what I'm looking at. A white dial, with numerical indices, and fake column-wheel 321??? huh?
     
  7. Pivowar Oct 26, 2017

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    From the comments here, guess you are right.
    Thanks for the info people.
     
  8. Vercingetorix Spam Risk Oct 26, 2017

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    Anybody on Canal st in NY city should be able to verify its authenticity.
     
  9. rcs914 Oct 26, 2017

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    That's a Seagull ST-19 which is a copy of the Venus 175. The original Venus tooling for the movement was sold to China in the early 1960's from what I understand. It was used to produce the original Chinese Airforce chronograph, which had a very popular resurgence as the Seagull 1963 Airforce re-issue 5 years ago or so.
     
  10. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Oct 26, 2017

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    That was my guess as well, I was mobile so I couldn’t pull up the database.

    Not a fake 321 per se. Column wheels are still fairly common, even on cheap movements. Yes it’s dressed up a bit with that bridge..

    Just seems like a lot of work to fake a watch at that price point. and miss so many details.

    Let’s be honest scrub the Omega logos from it and change the dials it’s a 500 dollar boutique watch all day long if it was new.

    40mm hand wound column wheel Chrono with display back and seagull/Venus movement .... you could sell a few hundred at 500 bucks tomorrow with some good PR if not triple that.
     
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  11. rcs914 Oct 26, 2017

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    There are a ton of available watches with that movement for around $300. I own one of the aforementioned Seagull '63 re-issues, which is why I could pull that info from the top of my head. There are some more interesting ones around $500, such as these two:

    https://baltic-watches.com/chronographes

    https://www.marloewatchcompany.com/collections/lomond
     
  12. rcs914 Oct 26, 2017

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    Here's the Seagull I have: 20171026_113401.jpg 20171026_113352.jpg 20171026_113652.jpg
     
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  13. panaitchrono Oct 26, 2017

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    Nice piece of mechanical work..but still a fake with no value at all...:(
     
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  14. repoman Oct 26, 2017

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    What is it about Uncle's and fake watches, its uncanny.
     
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  15. Seaborg Oct 26, 2017

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    Actually, the Seagull is a nice watch to wear even the painting of the dial is known to sometimes flake off...