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Where is the value for this price???

Ralvari
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Antiquorum is offering in auction this watch here

As they stated:

"A fine, rare, manual-winding, tonneau-shaped, stainless steel wristwatch with round button chronograph and blue dial, screw-down back engraved with Speedmaster logo."

"Patinated"

Fine ???
Blue dial ????
Patinated ?????

10.000 - 15.000 USD + 30% approx (Premium + Taxes)

And the orange chrono hand .... Ultraman in a 105.012??? (and the "green hands...???")

I can't imagine how should be the caliber...

Anyone has any idea what I'm missing in this watch?

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dmtowl
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I'm generally a fan of Patina, but this is not that, looks like someone fed the dog too much and food came back up..
 
NotAClue
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Another antiquorum related thread 馃嵖

I also don鈥檛 understand that watch. With that said, they do have some pretty amazing watches to bid on. Take the lot 293 as example: a super rare Daytona albino!!!

ohhh.... wait... 馃檮
 
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Value as parts....


All signs of a Frankenwatch put together for auction.

Trashed Pre-professional dial in a professional case.

Chrono second Hand is too short for an Ultraman.

I鈥檓 questioning the DON at this point as why would someone put a perfect DON on that pig to pretty it up.

is it me or is something up with the pushers?
 
flqt-9000
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Isn鈥檛 it the one for sale on ebay some month ago? There should be a post about it.
 
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From Earth to the Septic tank LE
 
Ralvari
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The point is until which point this is becoming to be delictive, from a legal point of view. It's not only this watch, the "albino" one that NotAClue comments, and many other ones that even not being so high-priced watches Antiquorum should have the responsibility and accountability to sell what they implicitly are selling, e.g.
Experts Overall Opinion: AAA (Excellent???)
Hands Original... The orange hand is original??

Could be this enough to start some process to accuse them of scam with strong responsibility?

Could it make sense to make a global group (not only this forum but WatchuSeek, Rolex forums, Relojes Especiales, Forumamontres, ...) to start some global legal process against Antiquorum for fraud? I'm not a lawyer and I don't know what could be possibility of succeed, and even less in Switzerland, but I launch the idea for the ones that have the knowledge and the experience.
 
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Ralvari Ralvari
in Switzerland
there is no such thing as a class action or anything similar. (except in special cases where associations may sue if their bylaws specifically mention it, and if the association has existed for a minimum period etc. etc. etc.)
You can only sue if you personally have been victim of their doings.
And even then its hard work proving they deliberately and falsely described the watch since there are pictures of which an able lawyer might say that they are open to different ways of interpretation.
Furthermore (馃槈) there is so much small print in the terms and conditions especially the bit about best knowledge etc. that succes will be almost impossible.
Then there is a thing called Opfermitverantwortung - the responsibility of the victim who should have known better - which doesn't really help either.
And which - in my opinion - is going to be the greatest hurdle in such a case.

So keep in mind the Opfermitverantwortung and do your homework before bidding.
 
Ralvari
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momosono momosono
there is no such thing as a class action or anything similar. (except in special cases where associations may sue if their bylaws specifically mention it, and if the association has existed for a minimum period etc. etc. etc.)
You can only sue if you personally have been victim of their doings.
And even then its hard work proving they deliberately and falsely described the watch since there are pictures of which an able lawyer might say that they are open to different ways of interpretation.
Furthermore (馃槈) there is so much small print in the terms and conditions especially the bit about best knowledge etc. that succes will be almost impossible.
Then there is a thing called Opfermitverantwortung - the responsibility of the victim who should have known better - which doesn't really help either.
And which - in my opinion - is going to be the greatest hurdle in such a case.

So keep in mind the Opfermitverantwortung and do your homework before bidding.

Thanks for clarifying. Very interesting approach, and without entering in the legal topics that i don't know at all, I'm wondering what is the difference of selling in an auction in Switzerland false/fake diamonds or gold than doing it with watches. And the lot that I link above is good example. Excellent? Original? What is their responsibility in front of fakes or fraud? Nothing, as far as I understood. Good business 馃榿馃榿
 
Foo2rama
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Ralvari Ralvari
Thanks for clarifying. Very interesting approach, and without entering in the legal topics that i don't know at all, I'm wondering what is the difference of selling in an auction in Switzerland false/fake diamonds or gold than doing it with watches. And the lot that I link above is good example. Excellent? Original? What is their responsibility in front of fakes or fraud? Nothing, as far as I understood. Good business 馃榿馃榿
That鈥檚 apples to oranges.
 
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