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  1. mac_omega Aug 9, 2013

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    Hi all,

    As the weekend approaches I though I should make some short write up for you in case the weather is bad and you need some stuff to read and view...;)

    One of my main collecting fields are 30 T2 chronometers and Seamaster chronometers - and besides this rectangle shaped watches, of course also Omega.

    I am aware that the vast majority on this forum are Speedy and Connie lovers - and yes - I have a small number of those in my humble collection, just some iconic pieces which an Omega collector should have, like a PG de Luxe and a PG Grand luxe stepped dial (both with leather straps though, no bracelet).

    But I though you might be interested to view some pictures of a not so common very early rectangle "whopper" in 935 solid silver.

    It is 28 mm wide and 48 mm long (straight messure) and about 50 mm long if you consider the "curve" - so this is the largest wrist watch I ever possessed - it is really large even compared with todays watches - see picture below side by side with a Speedy for comparison.

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    The 2 parts case is held together with 4 solid gold screws at the side of the case.

    The watch seems to be all original throughout, including original solid silver winding crown, beveled glass crystal and a beautifully aged and patinated 22 mm pigskin strap, which does not taper to the buckle which measures an unbelievable 28 mm wide, made of silver (or at least silver plated - no hallmarks visible).

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    Here is a side by side picture with one of my Speedies - and YES - I am aware that it has a wrong large seconds hand! Waiting for the right one to show up - any help??

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    The movement is most likely a beautifully preserved Cal 11 S iteration, silver plated, adjusted 2 positions, without second hand.

    It dates the watch to around 1913

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    The back of the case is also slightly curved to accommodate the wrist and it sits mighty on the wrist! I have only average dimensioned arms, so it is nearly protruding my wrist.
    Here are some wrist shots:

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    I assume this is a very rare find in this all original condition - hard to find as a 2915 I guess...

    Hope you like it

    HAGWE

    Erich
     
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  2. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    Incredible watch Erich.
     
  3. adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    That's insane! (in a good way)
     
  4. kyle L Grasshopper Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    Nice! I remember that one from ebay...glad it showed up here. :)
     
  5. cvalue13 Aug 9, 2013

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    You've just begun my new quest - great watch.
     
  6. cvalue13 Aug 9, 2013

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    Oh, and "dibs."
     
  7. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    Erich, as interesting and unique as this watch is, I really want to see some of those manual wind chronometres you are famous for! ;)
     
  8. alam Aug 9, 2013

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    Nice watch :thumbsup: One detail I found interesting -- I would have never though of solid gold for making screws as gold is a relative soft material that even screws this small could strip fairly easy and without too much effort.
     
  9. mac_omega Aug 9, 2013

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    Firstly they are pretty long and sit deep in the threads.
    Secondly they do not protrude - it is just the rounded head
    thirdly there are 4 of them, so not much power on each of them

    And I do not know the alloy (I did not acid test them) - maybe they are 14K which is a lot harder than 18K
     
  10. mac_omega Aug 9, 2013

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    OK, Mike,

    only one as a teaser ;)

    I guess you will have to visit me some day to see the rest :D

    Enjoy!

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  11. ulackfocus Aug 9, 2013

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    AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! ::love::

    You should know I saved one of your pictures of that watch in my Photobucket account.
     
  12. Alpenschneerot Aug 9, 2013

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    Very, very nice.
    Greetings from a No Chronometer brother.....;)
    Reiner
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  13. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    That's more like it! This folks is what they mean when they say mint and in rose gold too! Even the strap in that watch is original and looks barely used. Plus love to see dials like that with tarnish on the markers.
     
  14. mac_omega Aug 9, 2013

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    Mike,

    actually it is yellow gold, but tarnished even the case - hence the impression of rose gold (maybe also the lighting...) - it is a NOS example including the whole set: strap, buckle, hang tag, original box, but sadly no chronometer rating paper.
    I have been lucky to buy 2 NOS examples out of that "time capsule" some years ago, a 2364 and a 2366 (which is my avatar picture) both 18K yellow gold - untouched so far, had a cleaning only as the oil had totally gummed up.
    These are finds one in a lifetime I guess...
     
  15. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    These NOS examples that in some cases were literally sealed off from the rest of the world are the best - the creme of the creme of the crop as they say.
     
  16. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    I thought it might be appropriate here to place Erich's post in the Purists forum years ago regarding the case references for these manual wind chronometres. It is still in my mind the last word on the subject:

    It is quite simple with the chronometer references:
    1) Firstly press in back:
    2364 small (33 mm) with sub second (cal. 30 T2 Rg)
    2366 large (35,5 mm) with sub second (cal. 30 T2 Rg)
    2365 small (33 mm) with center sweep second (cal. 30 T2 Rg SC)
    2367 large (35,5 mm) with center sweep second (cal. 30 T2 Rg SC)
    These are always cases with the same style, small or large! Slight difference
    in the height of the case backs due to SC (higher) or sub sec. (flat).
    All of them with press in case backs.


    2) Secondly there is a small number of screw in case references, all SS and sometimes
    SS plus red gold bezel (only) - see the one example which was posted by Bill (Sohne)
    in this thread (rarely seen) - it is the watch on the right side in his picture!
    It is the same ref. as posted by Catherine - which is SS only.

    Ther are the following SCREW back references:
    2410: large 35 mm with center sweep second (cal. 30 T2 Rg SC) only!
    SS (CK 2410) or SS plus gold bezel (CO 2410)

    2254: large 35 mm with center sweep second (cal. 30 T2 Rg SC) stepped bezel and lugs.
    this ref. is an early version which was usually delivered with a plain 30 T2 SC. As a chronometer
    it was initially equipped with a 30 T2 SC without special RG device but with a chronometer adjusted movement
    (has specially polished winding wheels and an angled (beveled) and polished "ancre" though!
    Later it was delivered with Cal. 30 T2 Rg SC !
    In one of my earlier postings there you will find a picture of this watch ref. !
    Please see: "30 T2 CHRONOMETER - Please let me know your thoughts!" (226) posted at: Omega Apr 13th, 2008,00:39


    ref: 2244:
    large 35 mm with center sweep second (cal. 30 T2 Rg SC) stepped bezel and lugs.
    this ref. is also an early version which was usually delivered with a plain 30 T2 SC but sometimes
    with a chronometer adjusted movement (has specially polished winding wheels and an angled
    (beveled) and polished "ancre" though. See above (ref.2254 very similar). Later it was delivered with Cal. 30 T2 Rg SC !

    The case looks the same as ref. 2254 BUT the case back is not a screw back but a press in back!
    Otherwise it looks the same - with the beautifully stepped lugs and case.


    As Darren´s case is neither a ref. 2410 nor a ref 2254 it is NO chronometer case!
    BTW: you can look up most of the given information on the omega website if you do not believe me!

    PS: for all the knowing specialists on 30 T2 RGs:
    there are some more (very rare) PRESS IN BACK chronometer references (only gold versions) which show up very rarely.
    Some of them were made exclusively for the French market and one for the Spanish market.
    But this is a different story and may be posted sometimes later when I have got some more details and back ground history!
    But this does not match this special posting about SS crew back versions...


    Enjoy the information!
    mac_omega
     
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  17. John R Smith Aug 9, 2013

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    The dilemma then is, of course, do you actually use the piece or keep it locked away in a display case and handle it only with white gloves? I'm not sure that I would want the responsibility that goes with owning something like that . . .
     
  18. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    Never wear them. But have others to wear to keep them company!
     
  19. ulackfocus Aug 9, 2013

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    That is a problem. You could just buy two - one mint for show and one with normal aging for wearing.
     
  20. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Aug 9, 2013

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    Its hard to look at that and realise its not the re-issue Omega made but the original vintage example... damn dude