Hello ti everybody,
I would like to know your tought about following Mark 4,5, and how much I should pay it. The bracelet is service one.
Thank you

 

Seeing to red dot on the case back I could think that it is never opened and never polished.
What do you think about Mark 4,5 reference?

 

Very nice looking example.

To get an idea of price vs conditon have a look here but bear in mind these will be on the high side (Dealer vs Private sales)
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/omega/ref-1760012.htm

I also have a 176.012 in very similar conditon to this and its a great functional watch - time, day, date, chrongraph, 24hr indicator
I am not an expert so I to would like to hear from the forum experts on the following

To me the hands seem rather white but I don't know the production date of this watch.
This also brings me to a question I have about the dial on this and many other 176.0012s
MWO states that the 176.012 is circa 1974, so when was the need to declare "T Swiss Made T" on the dial not required?

 

Well they made these up until at least 1983, and mine has the same “swiss made” dial as the OPs

Mine has exactly the same bracelet, so not sure why you think its a service repacement?

The OPs looks like a great example - if NOS though, i would also expect box and papers - are these included?

 

Btw believe Fratellow watches also previewed a NOS Mk 4.5 - so good idea to search that and compare photos

 

https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedy-tuesday-omegas-speedmaster-mark-4-5/

 

Thanks Stuie

I,ve seen quite a few of these now, and the white (blonde) seal gasket around the crystal is a good sign, as i believe these to be original to when the watch was put together. On Later serviced examples, these were greenish in colour.

Its hard to tell exactly the lume colour on the OPs watch, but on the later ones (mine included) certainly tend to be lime green in colour - again original, and as these came/ or have aged - more than the more sought after yellow/ custard coloured examples of older moonwatch speedies

 

That first pic looks amazing ,not often you see such perfect brushing(not to mention sharp edges) and I would imagine it's the original finish.

Looks a really nice example, good luck .

 

Super sharp case, looks fine to me. . In regards to pricing, agree with Sherbie and Stuie, review some recent sales of near NOS same references. If B&P included will obviously increase value as well as I would expect this one to have considering the condition.

Regardless, beautiful watch.

 

Thank you for your reply.
No box and paper are included.
I suppose that bracelet is a service one because has the same clasp of Orfei and no writing on end links. Do you think this bracelet could be a later original one?

This is an original one from seventies, with trapezoid logo and not square.

 

Regarding the brushing - having examined mine just now there is not much metal in the actual case so it would be a skilled job to recreate the starburst brushing effect.
I've spoken to Simon freese about this finish on other Omega tonneau type cases and he said you have to be very careful when lapping a starburst finish not to remove too much.

Sherbie mentioned the gasket colour - not sure if mine would be classed as white/blond or pale green.
So mine might be NOS or a very good refurb, either way I bought it because I like the look of it on top of it having day,date, 24hr which is more useful day-to-day compared to my Speedy Pro.
Plus it has a great movement - the Omega 1045 (lemania 5100)

Lots of intersting reading on here
http://www.chronomaddox.com/c1045_in_detail.html

 

I believe yours is also a service bracelet.
Mine came on a service bracelet - the differences you have already pointed out
Service ones are etched and not stamped like original 70's and are missing the trapezoid logo and stamped end links.

 

Hmmm I just thought about the watch production date as these started life in 1974 upto late 80's
The bracelet show below is an early 70's and probaly fitted to the first 176.012s back in 1974.
So maybe what we are calling service bracelets are not necessarily so and are infact period correct bracelets for the 80s ?

This seems to be the case with a 1970 Speedmaster Pro bracelet 1171 / 633 end links

A 1171 / 633 bracelet was stamped and had the trapeziod logo and stamped 633 end links.
The MWO book references this as - Type 9 Bracelet 1171 / 633 (1970- around 1982)

Later there appeared a new version with 1171/1/633 etched
The MWO book referenecs this as - Type 10 Bracelet 1171/1/633 (from the 1980's)

 

@Stuie - yes, exactly my thinking as well. Early bracelets were different to later late 70s/ early 80s bracelets

The OP watch looks correct in all aspects to me ( but would be good to know year, serial, and price!!!)

Wrt case refinihing, its been discussed many times on here in the past. You need to get a picture of the lugs and look how much metal is left in the lug area - if its been refinished, the metal here is very thin indeed and can be almost worn through ( the photo is of my example, which i beleive to be unpolished due to the many scars still present on the large case and scratched sapphire crystal

 

I never realised these were modular cases, very interesting. Always learning.

 

Good morning to everybody, and thank you for your advices.

Surfing on web I have seen any Mark 4,5 sold as original with 1162/1/172 blacelet.

Moreover, I found an interesting post about Omega bracelet evolution, where there are three different bracelet with this reference.

" The first is the oldest with (11) 1162 on the clasp, 172 on the endlinks and Ω in a trapeze on the clasp cover.
The second one is more recent with (32) a1162/1/172 on the clasp, nothing on the endlinks and Ω in a square. Both have 33x16.5mm buckle.
The third one, modern replacement with laser engraving (32) 1162/172 on the clasp, nothing on the endlinks and Ω in a square. Buckle is 34x17mm on that modern one. "

https://omegaforums.net/threads/fro...ge-seamaster-and-speedmaster-bracelets.45883/

I ask again: Perhaps the 1162/1/162 bracelet could be a later version (80's) of this reference?

For them that would know the price on this Omega Mark 4,5, the dealer is asking me 2.500 euros: do you think this is a correct request?

Thank you again!

 

Hi Milhouse

I would say yes the 1162/1/162 is an original period correct bracelet for a 176.012 produced in the 80's
The format of marking the clasp is the same as for the 1171 i mentioned earlier

MWO book references
Type 9 Bracelet 1171 / 633 (1970- around 1982)
Type 10 Bracelet 1171/1/633 (from the 1980's)

The bold text is what was stamped inside the clasp - in the 80's the format changed to
xxxx/1/yyy
xxxx - Bracelet number
yyy - end link number

Service bracelets have the format xxxx/yyy laser etched inside the clasp.

So to summarise in pictures

 

What about requested pricing?
Is 2.500 euro too much for a (supposed) never touched?

 

If it was me then I would review what is available in the current market place and then decide if I was happy to buy the one being offered.

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/search/index.htm?query=speedmaster 176.0012&dosearch=true&searchexplain=true&watchTypes=U&accessoryTypes=

Search ebay - omega speedmaster mk4.5

 

I'm no expert but have looked at these a great deal in the past wishing to buy one myself, I would say that is a fair and sensible price. Perhaps not a bargain but not overpriced either considering condition and buying from a dealer.

Is there any service history?