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OMEGA Seamaster Bumper Automatic Ref. 2577 - 4 Cal. 351 which I bought recently on eBay from Luxemburg based seller "omeguy" for EUR 545.00. After I looked at them more closely, I am not sure about its authenticity. Could you please anyone willing to help to have a look at the detail photos I have attached? Thank you very much guys.
 
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Just curious, what makes you think it may be inauthentic?
 
Zdenek
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With not much experience I have looked at all the 2577-4 on google but could not find any similar shapes of numbers o the dial. Also shoulnt be the Seamaster sign is in different place no? Also M and the second T in the sign Automatic is distorted a bit. Comparing two T´s I see not the same graphic. This was not apparent before I bought it.
 
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Ignore the -4 for now, there are plenty of dial variations among any specific sub-reference.

It's a little awkward to link to myself, but it's too much to c&p and you might find this helpful for comparison:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/sho...-little-introduction-to-the-reference.153541/

Seamaster at the top of the dial can be ok and is to be expected in the serial range your watch falls in, same goes for the cal. 351. However, there are some issues with your watch. The crown being incorrect is a small one; the massive damage to the gold-cap of the case is much more relevant; the repainted dial is what completely drops the value, unfortunately. My personal opinion: If the non-original state of the dial was not disclosed in the listing, you might well have grounds for a return and given that eBay is ususally on the buyer's side I'd definitely try. There are much nicer watches to be had for that money, also 2577s.
 
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Hallo thank you for your expertise. I appreciate your help. The watch in question should be returned and fully refunded. The seller was shocked when I told him that Omega comunity thinks that the crown was incorrect and the dial was repainted. The seller´s advert stated: "Crown: Original and correct Omega signed crown. Dial: All oriinal, untouched dial. It is close to perfect condition." Oh well. I would love to have 351 so I will try and have look somewhere else using your fantastic guide. Thank you again. I have some more vintage Omegas in the drawer. Would anyone be interested in seeing the pictures? Thank you again. With regards Zdenek
 
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First of all i want to say that i like the pictures which you post becasue are in very much detail. The watch is authentic but i do not like the fact that the bumber has a diferent color and the crown it's not the correct one.
 
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Shouldn’t Seamaster be all one word, not Seamas ter.

Not necessarily - S eamaster can be fine. Seamas ter not so much.
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Zdenek
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Mind you asking Is the crown genuine actually? I like the watch though. It looks in far better state than my 351 I posted lately. And please dont take me wrong but schouldnt be a watch called genuine after all parts have been found genuine? Thank you for clarification.
 
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And please dont take me wrong but schouldnt be a watch called genuine after all parts have been found genuine?
Well…….no. Just because all the parts are mix-n-matched Omega doesn’t make the watch genuine. It makes it what we call a “Frankenwatch “. Genuine is as it came from the factory.
 
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Mind you asking Is the crown genuine actually? I like the watch though. It looks in far better state than my 351 I posted lately. And please dont take me wrong but schouldnt be a watch called genuine after all parts have been found genuine? Thank you for clarification.

The dial on the one you posted certainly isn't "genuine" - it's the result of someone's fantasy. The crown also isn't genuine. Take a minute to read through the first two posts in the link I mentioned above - you'll find a picture with the legit crowns for this reference. It's all there.
 
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Not necessarily - S eamaster can be fine. Seamas ter not so much.
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I think the "ter" is sometimes detached, though of course never with the font in the OP watch. This one is yours, right?
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What do you mean by "authentic"?
By "authentic" i mean that the machine from inside the watch it's Omega, case and case back are Omega and match the reference number.
Dial it's Omega ( redial or not redial). Of course that if all the parts are Omega and do not match the refernce number it's a "Franken" watch but in my opinion for this watch match..my apologise if i was wrong. I am not an expert 😀. I also do not know the hands match 😀 . Regards
 
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By "authentic" i mean that the machine from inside the watch it's Omega, case and case back are Omega and match the reference number.
Dial it's Omega ( redial or not redial). Of course that if all the parts are Omega and do not match the refernce number it's a "Franken" watch but in my opinion for this watch match..my apologise if i was wrong. I am not an expert 😀. I also do not know the hands match 😀 . Regards

Opinions might well differ here, and that's fine. Personally, I don't consider a redial "authentic", it's the same thing when sellers claim their dial to be "original" because it started life as an Omega dial, before it was painted neon green. To me that's just misleading.
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Zdenek
N'ayant pas beaucoup d'expérience, j'ai regardé tous les 2577-4 sur Google, mais je n'ai pas trouvé de formes de chiffres similaires sur le cadran. De plus, le signe Seamaster ne devrait pas être à un endroit différent, non ? Aussi M et le deuxième T dans le signe Automatique sont un peu déformés. En comparant deux T, je ne vois pas le même graphique. Ce n'était pas évident avant que je l'achète.
 
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seamaster en haut rien d'illogique 1950 a partir 1953 en bas seamaster
 
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