what 2015 brought you (macroperspective)

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hi there,

NO, this is not another "what did you buy in 2015" thread ...

it is more about "bigger things you learned 2015 about you and your watches" ...


From a personal perspective, 2015 was the first full year I dedicated significant resources (time and $) on vintage/not-so-vintage watches ... and while no major trainwrecks happened, there were a few lessons learned.


here my personal findings through the year: (ALL GENERIC google PICS - none are mine)

- nothing over 42mm for my girly hands
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- Constellations don't do anything for me (emotionally) ... bought them-sold them


- stop buying inexpensive "run-of-the-mill" vintage watches just b/c they are cheap (your typical 2nd tier 3 hand 33mm vintage) ...I just dont find a reason to put those on in the morning
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- can't stomach 1970ies watches (quite often cheaped down 1960 movements)
Aye 1960ies
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Nay 1970ies crisis induces cheapened movements
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... and 1970ies design watches
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- the more watches you own, the lesser "emotional value" each new one brings you" so buy little but buy good --- drug addict effect (looking for the next high, trying to re-live the first emotions)

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- i like vintage RLX more than any other brand - for how solid and "daily driver" they are - at reasonable prices (AKs, DJs) - buying something of similar qual. today would cost you 5-10 times more

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- stick to classic designs ... 20 hands-gadgetry gets really old really fast (especially when connected to epoc-specific design)

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- dont buy watches that are not comfortable to wear (just like the pair of shoe that does not fit you well, you will not wear them!!!!!) ouuuuch!
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- !!!! watches that are hard to read the time with!!!!: I had to sell quite a couple of really nice watches, just b/c it took me too long to figure the time out!!!!


loved both - the Tag with the El Primero and the blue AK - just couldnt find the hands half of the time
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again, I am not proclaiming the ultimate truth here - just what seems to have worked for me ...(learned mostly from mistakes)


what are your lessons learned?
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I learned three things.
1) only buy a watch for what you can resell it for.
2) like is not strong enough to buy. You must love it.
3) the only way to know if you will love it is to own it...see rule #1.
4) when the wife starts asking too many questions...time to take a breather.
 
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Also, have to say -- that navitimer is a pretty timeless design, they've been manufacturing that same design for more than 50 years.

It's the "speedy" of breitlings.
 
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true, except the design is - unlike a speedy or a sub - not very "neutral" .... both of those 2 literally go from trunks to suit, the navitimer not so much
 
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I have learned in 2015, that the watches I'm interested in, has sky-rocketed into levels so high that my decision is nowadays if I shall buy the watch in question, or rather spend the money on the car I need much better than another watch 😟
 
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Within the context of vintage watch collecting, I would say that 2015 proved to be a rare and interesting year in the following respect.

The market for vintage watches is, like other, similar markets (e.g. automobiles, fine art, etc.), heavily influenced by the broader economy. In most cases the connection is simple: when the economy is strong, people have money to spend on non-essentials, and collector markets rise; when it is weak, the opposite occurs. But 2015 was not typical, and neither were the results.

Without going off on too much of a tangent, as a result of terrible policy decisions by Central Banks, and in particular the Fed, enormous amounts of credit (aka "money") were created out of thin air, and largely injected into the banking system in order to save the major banks that were insolvent in the wake of the 2008 crisis. One of the effects of this policy was to inflate new stock market bubbles, further enriching those who were already well-off.

At the same time, those of the lower and middle classes (i.e. the vast majority of people) largely suffered for the past several years, struggling with layoffs, devaluations of home equity, pension instabilities, no returns on savings, higher taxes, etc.

What this meant in practical terms is that those in the former category had plenty of discretionary money to spend, while the majority had less, and the spending patterns of both reflected these realities.

Back to vintage watch collecting, the practical impact of this bifurcation was a market that experienced a rare bout of biflation. In other words, while the best and most coveted vintage watches rose sharply in value, the much larger group of ordinary watches, and/or those with condition issues, dropped in value.

Again, this is quite different from the far more typical up or down markets, but it is interesting that collector markets continue to accurately reflect the broader economy, even under such extraordinary circumstances.

So, as a collector, what should one make of this? Well, from my standpoint, this uncommon sort of market provides some great opportunities, and at the same time should be treated with caution.

Because values of certain models have risen so rapidly, I would be hesitant to buy at what may be close to the top of an overheated market. This is especially true if one believes, as I do, that the broader economy is going to fare poorly over the coming months and years, and that we will likely see some serious deflation in the value of most assets, including high-end cars and watches, etc.

On the other hand, I am quite happy to pick up interesting watches that are both under the radar, and dropping in price, and there are plenty from which to choose!

Cheers,

Tony C.
 
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I've learned to only focus on the stuff I really love - both from a life, and watches perspective.

From the watch end of things, this is manifesting in a clear out of anything that I don't love.

From a life perspective, it's more of a "don't sweat the small stuff"/"don't let idiots ruin your day" kinda thing.

Some would say that the life part shouldn't have taken me nearly 35 years to work out...
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true, except the design is - unlike a speedy or a sub - not very "neutral" .... both of those 2 literally go from trunks to suit, the navitimer not so much
I dunno. I wear my linen faced navi with jeans and also with a tie.

A sub, to me, is a bit too generic looking for my taste.

But that's the thing that makes this hobby so great...differed pieces speak to different people, creating the amazing variety of pieces and community that we all enjoy.

(I own two navis and a speedy)
 
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I bought and sold more in 2015 than ever before. I have always bought well and sold even better, taking the profits to fund my collecting. But 2015 was different.

I joined Instagram, and have had my eyes opened to the broader range of vintage watches, mainly divers. I have also been using eBay as a research tool to study the market and learn buyers tendencies for respect to condition, rarity, and value.

Coupling new found wisdom from the other collectors, web research, and a ton of eBay scavenging, I put together what I think is a great set of ground rules for future acquisitions to the core collection.

Tritium only with patina
Acrylic crystals (some mineral glass are fine)
Acrylic or Bakelite bezels
Unpolished case
Factory correct parts
Best examples possible
Steer clear of watches where service can kill you...keep it relatively simple

Of course I deviate when buying for profit, and all watches in my collection were bought with the eye of taking profits when the time is right to fund a better example.

2016 has started off with a bang, so we will see if I can keep it up!
 
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I have learned in 2015, that the watches I'm interested in, has sky-rocketed into levels so high that my decision is nowadays if I shall buy the watch in question, or rather spend the money on the car I need much better than another watch 😟

And our weak (SKR) currency, even if it is nice for exporting stuff, does not help...
Your "bying local sock drawer watches"-strategy is also mine. Trying to buy abroad is no idea for now.
 
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Tritium only with patina
Acrylic crystals (some mineral glass are fine)
Acrylic or Bakelite bezels
Unpolished case
Factory correct parts
Best examples possible
Steer clear of watches where service can kill you...keep it relatively simple

Great list! Very similar to mine.......but you are much better organized. Can you elaborate on "Steer clear of watches where service can kill you...keep it relatively simple"? Thanks!
 
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I bought and sold more in 2015 than ever before. I have always bought well and sold even better, taking the profits to fund my collecting.

This is the key for me.

I have learned, especially, in 2015, that I am not a buy and hold kind of guy.

I don't buy with intent to make money, but I will only buy at a price I think I can easily resell for, including transaction costs. I try to keep it a zero sum game (not counting service of course).

The keys to this are to never be in a rush to buy or sell, and to be willing to walk away if the number isn't right.

I think the biggest thing I learned in 2015 is that I love searching for pieces alsmost as much as buying and wearing. So, I have learned to be patient and methodical in searches and negotiation, which has really helped reduce regrets, and helped me get well bought pieces.

As they say...anticipation is the sweetest of treats!
 
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As they say...anticipation is the sweetest of treats!

You may be aware of this, but those who are aren't may be amused to learn that you are paraphrasing A. A. Milne's famous children's book character, Winnie the Pooh (1926):

“Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.
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Great list! Very similar to mine.......but you are much better organized. Can you elaborate on "Steer clear of watches where service can kill you...keep it relatively simple"? Thanks!
I like watches whose condition dictates that the most probable parts it will ever need are basic movement parts, gaskets and seals. Buying in original condition watches with no case part issues is the way to go IMO.

The more obscure the watch, that more difficult parts will be to find, and at this point, I don't like the headache associated with the process. There are exceptions to any rule of course.
 
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1. I learned that I didn't know much until I bought and handled around 50 watches. I still don't know much😜

2. Don't buy a piece that needs any parts replaced whatsoever. It is always a headache and I already have too many saved Ebay searches going for parts. Time = $ and you can't get time back. I'd rather pay more for a good example that saves me time.

3. Train your eye for the examples with a solid original look and feel, a "rightness," research them to death, confirm.

4. Omegaforums is an invaluable resource and part of the joy of collecting is the forum interactions and personalities.

In previous years my MO was to accumulate and repair later and I'll stand by that strategy looking at what the market has done.
Time to sell a few though...😉
 
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1. I learned that I didn't know much until I bought and handled around 50 watches. I still don't know much[emoji14]

2. Don't buy a piece that needs any parts replaced whatsoever. It is always a headache and I already have too many saved Ebay searches going for parts. Time = $ and you can't get time back. I'd rather pay more for a good example that saves me time.

3. Train your eye for the examples with a solid original look and feel, a "rightness," research them to death, confirm.

4. Omegaforums is an invaluable resource and part of the joy of collecting is the forum interactions and personalities.

In previous years my MO was to accumulate and repair later and I'll stand by that strategy looking at what the market has done.
Time to sell a few though...😉
Rman
This list is also excellent advice for buying a vintage car, or probably a vintage anything.

One thing is for sure. There's no substitute for experience.
 
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I always tell people the only way to buy right, is to buy wrong, and learn from it. You need to get the experience of buying and selling in order to know when and when not to pull the trigger.
 
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[alam's perspective] ...a year closer to retirement! ::psy::
 
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[alam's perspective] ...a year closer to retirement! ::psy::

It's everything you've imagined it would be!
 
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It's everything you've imagined it would be!

oh my! too much bling bling in retirement land!